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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 McDougal2


    So true the moderators are so out of their depth. They need to get with the winning side. I was "warned" for several no valid reason except I was told to "read the rules of some blah blah" This guy sounds as if he's about 10 with the attitude of "Teacher look at how good a big boy I am". Thank god for Sarsfields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Respectfully, I'm mildly surprised that you seem to think that posters are not registering new accounts so as to access threads and topics of interest. As a moderator, it must be very obvious? Any regular poster on threads can spot them. I could make a fair guess as to the former names of some on this thread. Some threads, like the Russia have many. In fact, if they weren't tolerated - current activity would fall away steeply. I'm not going to bother looking for it but I do recall Beasty, a sensible chap, observing that it was quite legitimate i.e. logical for posters to re register. This is a boards problem, not the users.

    I respectfully disagree - there are petty warnings and threadbans handed out. But continue shooting the messenger..



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I was recently warned for being the messenger, I don’t dispute it as I was a bit cheeky with it 😁 but the original mega-troller gets away it Scot-free. Walks away to go to ur sticking 2 fingers at other posters who are getting very annoyed and the site must be very busy with the amount of PMs going around about it. It is SOOO obvious. We, the broadly decent posters, just won’t put up with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    To moderate current affairs and politics and the like threads, you'd want a) to be bang up to date with the topic and the prevailing news & views and b) up to date with the internal thread agendas. I'm not convinced at all that some mods are up to date with or interested in the topics they're trying to keep an eye on. So they just become reactive to the moment and whatever posts are flagged without seeing it as a whole.



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  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    There have been measures implemented to prevent re reg that have either failed miserably or semi worked. The tools vanilla offers us sometimes work well and sometimes don’t work at all! Mike is in constant communication with the devs.

    even if it looks like nothing is being done, trust me (or don’t, your choice), there’s always something being looked at and trialled.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is a poster active on this thread that was a wum on a long running thread that had multiple "do not post here again" warnings against them.

    And they kept coming back posting, ignoring the warnings until they were eventually permanently thread banned.

    And they are on this thread complaining about mods.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,281 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No messenger shot. Just perma-victimhood getting knocked down



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I know there’s stuff being done quite frequently on Boards software, it goes a bit crazy when there’s updates, enough to prove Vanilla doesn’t lend itself well to the job making it very frustrating for all. There’s hard-working dedicated mods who seem to have enormous patience for the deficits, I know I’d throw in the towel… I actually did ahead of it all.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    sometimes you see very alike posting styles criticising other posters for being victims, needy, pathetic blah blah blah, amazing similar use of language.

    I agree that there are needlessly needy personalities on Boards, but to say people giving critique, in the hope that the site might be improved for all, are all pathetic needy people is one form of insidious trolling, actually one that I didn’t tolerate well as a mod, and one or two people who are friends of a former mod still give me stick over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes, it's an unpleasant characteristic of some. But I suppose as with other disrupters, best ignored.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The world-wide move to mobile devices is a far bigger issue that any moderation, IMHO.

    Posting anything substantial from a mobile-device "keyboard" is just hard work. I cannot be ar$ed, for the most part. So any post beyond a couple of lines (eg this one) has to wait til I'm on machine with a real keyboard. And I know from my work that the number of households with a desktop or laptop has shrunk massively: most non-techy people now have a tablet at most.

    So posts tend to be short, and miss out nuances.

    That and AI: many people have suspicions, but no one really knows what posts are made by humans and what ones are made by bots. There are lots of threads that I would not waste time on any more, just 'cos I think they're suspect.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I ignore 99.99% of the time, but when it comes to such a thread like this and they come on here with “other posters are pathetic Schtick” that is seen in their other posting, where I have not commented so as not to derail thread & get warned etc, I take the rare opportunity for legitimately pointing it out. 😀



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    Very true. I use my mobile device for most things. I have eyesight issues due to MS so focussing on a large screen takes a lot of energy and concentration for me. I use my desktop nearly entirely for hobby coding & gaming, dark web exploration & techy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,192 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I would safely say 90% of users have never had any interaction with mods. There's a whole world out there besides CA, After Hours, and Soccer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I don't think there is any rule where you can't post anecdotes on the site?

    The two threads you highlighted had mod instructions applied to them that anecdotes were no longer welcomed.

    I'm obviously not a mod I just gave my own opinion and tried to explain my reason as to why I think they don't add to discussion in them specific threads you highlighted.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I think you’ve misunderstood me. I am not blind to the re reging that goes on. I am saying it’s illogical because it just gets you in more trouble when you’re caught.

    I can think of a few examples of exactly that happening in recent weeks.
    I don’t think Beasty ever said it’s fair or logical for a poster to re reg in order to circumvent a threadban though.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    tbf Beasty implied for personal type reasons other than circumventing it is ok to cease one account where you haven’t been banned, or to post temporarily in personal issues for privacy & safety reasons, alongside your usual posting.

    But there is presently no way any senior mods can know for certain about rereg accounts. There would need to be a more complicated and secure encrypted registration process to make it a bit more difficult, but I can immediately think of potential bot ways around this too. But pure ordinary trollers would find it a tad more wearisome and Boards would find it a tad more expensive



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,893 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    I believe in being as transparent as possible and see no issue in letting you know that the discussion was moved here because I saw it in AH, suggested that it was better suited to Feedback, and so it was moved here by an AH mod.

    A few hours later, I asked in a roundabout way that it be left open because I value good feedback and I see this as an opportunity for our users to offer their answers to the question asked in the OP. I see some good answers coming in as a result of it being here and believe that having it here is better than having it in AH.

    At the moment, it’s the #1 trending discussion on the site so it was and continues to be a worthwhile opportunity for everyone to have their say on an important issue. As long as your post doesn’t break any site rules or the forum charter, feel free to share your thoughts. It’s certainly given us a few things to chew on so far.

    Thanks.

    -Shield



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    trying to find where you last posted on here is a fcukin nightmare. I’ll be on here tomorrow and I won’t have a clue where to go looking for where I was.
    it has something to do with them fcukin stars but it’s too complicated for me to learn.
    the old set up was far more user friendly. Hit last post and away you went.
    I still use it but I don’t post as much because my posts are gone tomorrow like a fart in the wind and I haven’t a fcukin clue where to go looking for them.
    most thanked post of the day and being able to see thanks was also brilliant. Also now gone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    unless someone quotes you in a post now and you get a red jingle bell notification you may aswell just be talking to yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Three points:

    • this site was great for mental health during COVID.
    • Re registrations are not always mischievous.
    • Sometimes rational posters have irrational weak spots on certain topics (I know mine).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Love this site ,yer may get the odd warning but it's great for getting the latest news ,even before the news agencies, also for car etc probs that wouldn't even be on YouTube, we need the gunter solutions, don't slag it ,you'll miss it if it goes .



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I can’t imagine there’s a large number of posters re reg’ing going to that much effort to avoid detection. Besides that vanilla does have bot and spam filters. It’s not like you can just slap a VPN on and no one will notice if you link to other accounts.

    The admins are more careful about site banning suspect accounts only because there’s no easy way to appeal it in the case of a genuine mix up which does happen. One of the major problems with this platform is the lack of some way to discuss a site ban after the fact like before.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭supermans ghost


    I would echo that sentiment about certain mods, it is quite obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Is it possible that boards.ie served a purpose at a time when it was needed, but the purpose is now being served elsewhere?

    Ive been around a while (obviously!) even before Twitter and Reddit became as big as they are now and back then there werent' as many outlets for posting online on such a wide variety of topics - it seems sometimes that it's passed.

    Sure, the revamp didn't help and the moderation is questionable sometimes, but even without those issues I sometimes get the feeling that boards has had it's day and interest would still be waning.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I think the only “issue” with moderation, that I can see, is that some mods are, somewhat, too human in their warnings, and interactions.

    It’s seems like the more “mechanical” the mod is in their “dealings” with low quality posters the less chance there is of an infraction being overturned in DRP.

    A mod who reacts to, really, terrible users’ cock and bull defence “stories”, the made up personal, sob story type, excuses as to why they broke the rules, in a more personal fashion can see their actions reversed or, even, have their own behaviour sent up the line for admin review.

    Meanwhile, the absolute waste of space, with an abysmal site record, is left laughing away thinking ‘I can’t believe they bought that crap I made up’.

    It might be better to advise all mods to be more ‘you have been warned for X, if you wish to dispute it go to Dispute Resolution’ and leave it at that as it seems that when a mod tries to reason, or explain, their action that it leaves too much room for the malefactor to, then, “get off” on a technicality.

    It’s the type of thing that will lose the site moderators as they may not see the point in continuing, if the “higher ups” don’t appear to have their back.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Posting anecdotes is not something that is stated in the charter as something that is not allowed in CA.

    I got a warning and post removed for saying my mother couldn't get a new dentist when discussing pressure on services in the immigration thread.

    I see several posts about people who lived by DP centres and they never seen issues, or posters who lived or have someone they know living somewhere who have nothing but positive things to say about the places when discussing issues around immigration such as Birmingham and Sweeden, so how would someone know anecdotes are not allowed or is just certain ones are allowed.

    I just went now and checked the first page after the title says read the first page and it has a note about no anecdotes because they are used to rile people or something to that affect.

    Now if my post is riling people up which is ridiculous then remove it, but giving a warning is absolutely childish by the mod in my opinion.

    This looks to be a rule implemented by a mod that is not listed in the charter.

    If I have to read the first page of a thread everytime I post then I'm not going to see that note and I would lose where I last left off on the thread and the site is bad enough as it is.

    This is just one example of where a mod decides something that is not in the charter and unless you read the first page everytime you open the thread which is ridiculous then posters are not aware.

    I did not dispute the warning because I find the mod immature and biased and I had no interest in wasting my time.

    Maybe it's something that can be looked at here as feedback to update the charter so people know the rules of the forum and not having to look out for rules a mod makes up for a thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Posters who attack others, then will not even have the graciousness to accept they are wrong, when questioned. The 'I am always right' mentality of a 7 year old. They will usually then pull a 'oh, I am being persecuted here again, people following me around attacking me… ' stance when you find a hole in their argument, and point it out. Such people are not able to use a board like this one, and should probably pick up their ball and go home to mummy.

    It's pretty easy to spot such people.

    It's not the mods fault that this site may be dying, it's people like this.



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