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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I moderate 2 forums. I moderate them to the letter of the Charter.

    There are many forums across the whole of Boards. Of course moderation will vary. What you might get away with in After Hours for example will not be tolerated in Personal Issues.

    I am a moderator of 2 forums. I am not in charge of moderating anywhere else on the site. No Admin is. As an admin we have a few extra tools and if someone flags a post as a rereg/spammer/shill etc we check and try identify if that is the case. Sometimes I can't tell for sure and leave it to one of the more experienced Admins who might have a better eye for spotting tell tale signs.

    As an admin I primarily ban spammers and reregs. I vote on whether to approve proposed mods. I pick up the occasional DRP. I am not in charge of moderation across the entire site. None of the admins are. Moderators and category moderators generally look after that, as they are the ones with the best knowledge of their area. They only call in Admins for advice or help if needed or in the case of a DRP. At that point we will investigate, read up, look at the events surrounding the dispute. I do not know nor am I expected to know every nook and cranny of the site.

    Some of the admins who are here a lot longer will know a lot more, purely because they've dealt with a lot more. And aren't we lucky that we have very experienced Admins working alongside less experienced admins?

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 302 ✭✭Baseball72


    The previous site used to show how many people were logged in - members and those visiting the site.

    Ever since that function was not carried over to the new site, you’ve no idea when are browsing at say 2am, if you are alone looking into a void so to speak, or part of an active community….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Yep. I know I'm repeating myself to an extent - but there's loads of sub-forums in here where moderation has always been light touch, discussions are and were always civil - and yet the traffic in all of those sub-forums has died a death as well. Moderation can't be the root cause in those cases - which make up the majority of subs on the site - to explain why traffic and posting has gradually declined over the years site wide.

    You'd be forgiven for thinking reading through this thread that you have to consistently walk on eggshells to post on boards. I've been here since 2008 and I have never received a warning, a card, a ban: nothing. And I don't think I'm unusual - most posters never come to mod attention.

    The only time that I can recall when I felt like questioning a mod decision was on a regional sub-forum, years ago, when I started a thread and it was locked by the relevant mod because they felt there was already another thread that was similar etc, etc. I PM'd the mod, explained my reasoning for opening the thread that I did and how it was a thread worthy subject in its own right. The mod said fair enough and re-opened it. So mods can change their minds.

    Obviously, a proportion of people are going to fall foul of mods etc and, rightly or wrongly, will feel aggrevievd, stifled etc - but that's not the experience of the vast majority of users. Most posters don't have any interaction with mods.

    Rewind the clock back to 2008/09/10 when the site was hopping. There were even more mods than now. There was even more warnings than now. There were even more bannings than now. More threads being locked than now - but yet the site was still booming.

    The site is in decline because time has moved on. Fifteen years ago the age profile of the site was people in their twenties and thirties. Now people in their twenties wouldn't bother using a message board like this and a lot of the other boardsies have moved on in their lives.

    Message boards across the internet are dying out because people increasingly don't use them anymore. Boards is a message board - its fate is no different than any other message board on planet earth. Boards is slowly dying because ALL message boards are slowly dying. Moderation, whether the lack of or the perceived over zealous application of, is not going to change this fundamental fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The move to the Vanilla setup is seen as such a negative but, without it, the site would have shutdown.

    And while it may not be a “like for like” switch it’s still better than nothing.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Gunnar Bewildered Top


    Is it better than nothing though?

    Threads that used to be hopping are dead.

    The Forum Games section, one of the busiest and most active on Boards had to set up their own site outside of Boards.

    Similar with other sections that now chat elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The OP must be having a great laugh at what they stirred up. No further contribution from them after post #1. Perhaps the all powerful Mods have disappeared them?? They started this thread in After Hours, worried about the future of Boards. But judging by their previous efforts, I don't think they have a genuine interest in that subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    IGN Boards, Archive of Our Own, and GameFAQs have millions of users. Reddit has over 100,000 communities. But you can go over there and see threads on how reddit is dying. I know people like to **** on Reddit on boards.ie but I honestly think it's down to being afraid of something newer. Can't understand how anyone could just dismiss it. It's simply about moving with the times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Realistically wont happen. Thats how all social media companies make money. Click bait in order to cause controversy and people raging at each other is a huge business model and most of them dont know what else to do.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    I always find it weird when a poster starts creeping around another poster’s history and then presents it like some major gotcha and think they deserve some prize (maybe a modship?) like a smarmy teacher’s pet.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Warned: Attack the post, not the poster

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,955 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    And this is another example in this thread of what deters discussion on Boards. The OP had made themselves very noticeable with some very poor wind up threads. It didn't necessitate any searching to remember them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ITs both to be fair.

    On the one hand, you read "you can't express certain viewpoints without being seen as racist/phobic and getting banned" - in which case you should probably kearn how to do it.

    On the other I've seen 'threadbanned' a few times and thought, 'what, for that?' You're kidding?'

    I think their is a bias towards left-leaning posters to be moderaters, and I say that as soneone who is left-lraning myself.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    It's a valid thread but it's uncomfortable for mods and maybe then it's noticeable, this is what happens in the lead in to shutting down threads, mods don't personally like what's being said and try to find a reason to shut things down. The target posters in many cases and look for a reaction and then come down all high an mighty. On appeal they circle the wagons. Meanwhile boards deteriorates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,955 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I don't disagree with you but that's not my point. Mr. Disco's post exemplifies the childish bickering that ruins discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I think boards is mostly great.

    I don't have any problem with the mods. Just understand that they are humans.

    It was much busier when there weren't so many other options on the internet. What I like best about it is that it is topic focused (rather than famous personality etc.)

    It must have lost a lot of followers when it kept breaking down and being attacked, and the changeover to Vanilla was fraught with problems, some of which still exist.

    Being unable to run a search within a thread or category is a big shortcoming in Vanilla. With the old search it used to be much better as a technical resource for looking up stuff.

    I also find that it is much slower to load pages than it used to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭hhmmm?


    The majority of people on this site are silly, bitter, argumentive, highly strung know it alls. Post a question, get a sarcastic comment as a reply. Post a good constructive comment and get shot down (usually by a cyclist). Post a bargain in the bargain alerts thread and get told there's one available €1 cheaper in Timbuktu when using a VPN to order. Not to mention the spelling and grammar patrol lurking everywhere.

    The site is infested with these people and I now come mostly to wind them up.

    I'm sure there's a host of you biting your tongues as you read this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 318 ✭✭Mo Ghile Mear


    Graveyard or not it’s great to check in to Boards compared to the cess pit of Twitter and it’s the modding that ensures that. I hope it survives, I dip in and out a lot since about 2008 but don’t post much. At least boards relates largely to Irish issues not the melting pot of American angst and conspiracy theories and utter scutter. Sad to see a lot of the old familiar posters no longer here but maybe like me they’re still here.. under a new guise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,260 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Editing/posting is a mess on Boards. Has been since the change and now you cant split out and respond to different sections of posts. An insane decision from Boards HQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Has to be, right? If it wasn’t no one would be here, we’d all be forced over to somewhere less appealing, like Reddit.

    Like someone said above, maybe “dormant” forums could be condensed into single mega-threads and moved somewhere more visible. Might help breathe some life into those places.

    Ah, Forum Games. Would you believe it’s the only place I’ve been banned from? Was fair enough, I used AH style posting in a setting that it wasn’t “appropriate” so couldn’t complain.

    Is, my nemesis, BuileBeg over on that new site? Absolute gem of a poster and a big loss to the site here.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just to step back a bit, boards works for me for attaining knowledge and updates on topics pertinent to my tangible needs.

    But the discussions are full of strangers projecting onto eachother. FB arrived and became the overt standard for ego inflation and projection, but the good utility value still remains here

    The internet will never be as fun as back in the day when it was early adaptors surfed the wave of a new communications revolution.

    Pining for that buzz is futile. Mods were fallible then as they are now, and I thought everyone posting in after hours then were as nuts as what we see on twitter and FB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Your previous example and the one I gave, given that they are both from posters with a posting history, are both equally valid anecdotal observations that contribute to the thread. It's impossible to verify either, so if you're going to accept one then you have to accept the other. The general idea that you can't post anecdotes on boards is clearly daft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I know what you're getting at but surely once you try to remove posters ability to write of their experiences of a topic, then you may as well not have a thread or a site at all. Isn't personal experience part of the whole culture of a site like boards - now yer talking!?

    Furthermore where is the relating of anecdote or citizen journalism if you like prohibited in any general posting rules on boards? Or in the specific form charters?

    To relate that you saw or experienced xyz etc is not being a dickhead or being uncivil or attacking another poster or likely to bring legal action against boards. It is as you say better to focus on facts, so if a poster writes that xyz happened then this can be taken as a fact.

    What's happening though on some threads is that the adjudgment of anecdote is being arbitrarily applied according to the moderators whim to remove posts, issue warnings and threadbans. I can't think of a much more damaging practice to the culture of boards.

    Perhaps you can further this observation further up the line and have some sense brought to it.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Gunnar Bewildered Top


    True, I'd take 6 months in the Joy over 60 seconds on Reddit.

    And BuileBeag is indeed alive and well over on the new site :)

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php for anyone interested.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Reddit's ok - you just have tobstay away from the political and social activist forums.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You falsely accuse me of putting words in your mouth and in the same post completely make up the quote "I hate being a mod" and then argue with yourself over it.

    Lol.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    right I’m just gonna stop talking with you now because you’re a pain to deal with.

    You said

    Why are you reluctant to speak for yourself?

    You're clearly not happy doing a voluntary job, why continue?

    I’m asking where did I say that?



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I used to be a mod, and even got a threat to my own personal safety from a user still present on the site. I still get criticism from one or two posters regarding that time where I have temporary forum bans to these kind of people. One person, who claimed to be a nursing home carer, said I wouldn’t know how other people suffer as I’m so glib in my approach to other human beings. They left the site after a forum ban for the most horrible in thread continued personal abuse of other posters and myself. I would imagine there might have been health issues there, though, or perhaps person was just being a dick. You can get hellish abuse & intimidation from groups of posters (possibly the one poster or a close-knit WhatsApp group) being a mod.

    There are reregs of very obviously the same trolling poster(s) who continue to get away with it? Despite being extremely obvious and intentional in their methodology. They post in exactly same style as a two fingers to the admins. The dogs on the street know who these are. The reason they get away with it is there is no way to actually “prove” it with multiple vpns, private TOR browsing etc.



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