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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bartkingcole


    Three points:

    • this site was great for mental health during COVID.
    • Re registrations are not always mischievous.
    • Sometimes rational posters have irrational weak spots on certain topics (I know mine).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Love this site ,yer may get the odd warning but it's great for getting the latest news ,even before the news agencies, also for car etc probs that wouldn't even be on YouTube, we need the gunter solutions, don't slag it ,you'll miss it if it goes .



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I can’t imagine there’s a large number of posters re reg’ing going to that much effort to avoid detection. Besides that vanilla does have bot and spam filters. It’s not like you can just slap a VPN on and no one will notice if you link to other accounts.

    The admins are more careful about site banning suspect accounts only because there’s no easy way to appeal it in the case of a genuine mix up which does happen. One of the major problems with this platform is the lack of some way to discuss a site ban after the fact like before.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭supermans ghost


    I would echo that sentiment about certain mods, it is quite obvious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Is it possible that boards.ie served a purpose at a time when it was needed, but the purpose is now being served elsewhere?

    Ive been around a while (obviously!) even before Twitter and Reddit became as big as they are now and back then there werent' as many outlets for posting online on such a wide variety of topics - it seems sometimes that it's passed.

    Sure, the revamp didn't help and the moderation is questionable sometimes, but even without those issues I sometimes get the feeling that boards has had it's day and interest would still be waning.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I think the only “issue” with moderation, that I can see, is that some mods are, somewhat, too human in their warnings, and interactions.

    It’s seems like the more “mechanical” the mod is in their “dealings” with low quality posters the less chance there is of an infraction being overturned in DRP.

    A mod who reacts to, really, terrible users’ cock and bull defence “stories”, the made up personal, sob story type, excuses as to why they broke the rules, in a more personal fashion can see their actions reversed or, even, have their own behaviour sent up the line for admin review.

    Meanwhile, the absolute waste of space, with an abysmal site record, is left laughing away thinking ‘I can’t believe they bought that crap I made up’.

    It might be better to advise all mods to be more ‘you have been warned for X, if you wish to dispute it go to Dispute Resolution’ and leave it at that as it seems that when a mod tries to reason, or explain, their action that it leaves too much room for the malefactor to, then, “get off” on a technicality.

    It’s the type of thing that will lose the site moderators as they may not see the point in continuing, if the “higher ups” don’t appear to have their back.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Posting anecdotes is not something that is stated in the charter as something that is not allowed in CA.

    I got a warning and post removed for saying my mother couldn't get a new dentist when discussing pressure on services in the immigration thread.

    I see several posts about people who lived by DP centres and they never seen issues, or posters who lived or have someone they know living somewhere who have nothing but positive things to say about the places when discussing issues around immigration such as Birmingham and Sweeden, so how would someone know anecdotes are not allowed or is just certain ones are allowed.

    I just went now and checked the first page after the title says read the first page and it has a note about no anecdotes because they are used to rile people or something to that affect.

    Now if my post is riling people up which is ridiculous then remove it, but giving a warning is absolutely childish by the mod in my opinion.

    This looks to be a rule implemented by a mod that is not listed in the charter.

    If I have to read the first page of a thread everytime I post then I'm not going to see that note and I would lose where I last left off on the thread and the site is bad enough as it is.

    This is just one example of where a mod decides something that is not in the charter and unless you read the first page everytime you open the thread which is ridiculous then posters are not aware.

    I did not dispute the warning because I find the mod immature and biased and I had no interest in wasting my time.

    Maybe it's something that can be looked at here as feedback to update the charter so people know the rules of the forum and not having to look out for rules a mod makes up for a thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Posters who attack others, then will not even have the graciousness to accept they are wrong, when questioned. The 'I am always right' mentality of a 7 year old. They will usually then pull a 'oh, I am being persecuted here again, people following me around attacking me… ' stance when you find a hole in their argument, and point it out. Such people are not able to use a board like this one, and should probably pick up their ball and go home to mummy.

    It's pretty easy to spot such people.

    It's not the mods fault that this site may be dying, it's people like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    It's not the mods fault that this site may be dying, it's people like this.

    I'd add an extra layer onto that myself.

    Yes indeed, there are any number of posters who post utterly bad faith arguments in the way that you've described. Their MO is the same all the time - post a load of crap, get proven wrong, and then disappear, or just repeat it over and over anyway, or claim victimhood.

    But again, how mods/admin deal with them, or, in reality, don't deal with them, is absolutely part of the problem. As long as they are careful not to insult other poster, they are allowed to do this over and over and over again, to the point that other posters stop engaging with them, with the thread, with the forum, with the site.

    I would say that in general, Boards is truly awful at identifying which posters are more trouble than they are worth, by which I mean: which posters damage the community more than they contribute to it.



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  • There are one or two who have burner phones for other purpose and do go to this kind of trouble, it’s not trouble to them because they are using burner phones for other reasons anyway. Those kinds can wreak havoc on the site because they are unpleasant individuals to begin with and enjoy the power they wield over the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It's the crap user interface, plus inconsistent modding. I use another board for a specialised interest field, which is really well moderated, it's a joy to use. There's no favouritism, trolls are not tolerated, very pleasant environment, and the interface itself is a lot easier.

    In contast, this one is crashy, slow to load, really annoying blinking ads. you type a message and it bombs out. Finding your threads or posts is not intuitive. Trending posts isn't on the front page when you log in, is a pain. It's like a relic of bad design. And the mods are not trained / all behave like their section has different rules to the other sections.

    Maybe there is a way to set it up to work, but I have not invested the time to find it, and it's not obvious. Bookmarking discussions seems to do nothing. Only stay around because of the very specific regionality.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I completely agree with the last few posts. It is a huge site, with a huge user base. There are 1000s of good posters who never cause an issue. These posters are capable of disagreeing or debating a point without resorting to childish insults. However, there is a sizeable minority who can't seem to post without taking digs or (possibly) thinking they're hilarious in their insults.

    The moderators do what they can with these types of posters but honestly sometimes it IS easier to let things go, especially if a thread has moved on by the time you see the post. Applying a warning automatically invites a PM response from an "outraged" user. But I absolutely agree that short to the point warnings should be used "Uncivil" "personal abuse" etc. and little or no discussion after that.

    It might increase the number of DRPs but if it's a clear cut case of "uncivil" etc then there's no dispute!

    I would be in favour of a zero tolerance policy for a while on those types of posters. 1 point warning upped to 2 point warnings for subsequent posts. It wouldn't be long either focussing the minds or actually getting rid of those nuisance posters who ruin healthy discussion.

    I know some people will be appalled at such an idea and shouts of "power hungry" mods would probably reach an all time high, but if it's made known that there's zero tolerance on muppetry and everyone is treated the same then it would (should!) quickly change the tone of Boards.ie.

    No doubt there'll be a slew of replies telling me why this is unfair and will target some and not others etc. But I imagine the silent majority would welcome the measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    There, really, should be stronger sanctions on users who, continually, attack other posters by accusing them of being re-regs, trolls or in some sort of “sponsored” conspiracy for, simply, having a different opinion to the consensus.

    This type of user is a real problem on the site. It should be ok to disagree, without discussion we’re left, only, with an “echo chamber”. Which is what these types seem to want.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The above would be fine, if it was applied consistently, and equally, but with moderation I often find it's not.

    I guess the best way to put it is, it's like when a bully targets another kid in school, and completely gets away with it, but the kid who stands up to the bully ends up being the one who gets in trouble.

    🤷‍♀️

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is a lot of butt hurt going on from people who hold extreme outlier views but believe themselves to represent the silent majority. Its always the same individuals claiming persecution. The moderators are fairly representative of the profile of society but to these individuals they seem extreme and biased because the posters own views are so extreme. How do you deal with these types, I really don't know short of simple bans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,163 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    plus inconsistent modding. I use another board for a specialised interest field, which is really well moderated,

    I'd say a lot of the modding complaints and whinging comes in places like AH and Current Affairs.

    These are not "specialised interest" fields. They are very broad and can be very subjective and thus where people feel their points are being ignored, all the other posters are too left/right wing and the mods don't like my point of view.

    That doesn't happen in more specialised interest froms like DIY, or Broadband etc.





  • that would be handy alright. Also for posters who very erroneously accuse other posters of doxxing, then dox other posters themselves.





  • This is the very crux of the issue here. It’s difficult being even-handed, we are all human, but the question should be asked in any mod’s head, “If I sanction Y have I also sanctioned X who is even more part of the problem?” X should be given the warning up to thread ban if they repeatedly are the subject of a warning, the responder, provided not very uncivil, should be given a verbal that they are skating on thin ice.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    That's why my suggestion would be zero tolerance. Even a whiff of "uncivil" warn the poster. I honestly believe a couple of days of it would wipe out a lot of the behaviour. The 'school bully' will be dealt with and others won't react because they'll see its being dealt with.

    I've said it before (and was scoffed at 😉) fast moving threads can be difficult to moderate. Threads move on.

    But I think if it's made clear that there's zero tolerance then moderators have to know they have the backing of their Category Moderators and Admins to go zero tolerance.

    It will upset some, obviously. But I feel it's something that's needed at this stage. People will either cop on or leave. Win-Win either way!

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There are people who set up accounts and troll for a pastime! It's a hobby to them. We should not make signing up to the site a more difficult process because that just targets the wrong people.

    The trolls will still continue to engage in their hobby and genuine posters won't bother if it's too much of a faff.

    The only thing everyone can do is ignore and report. They get caught pretty quickly (often before they even gets chance to post!). I don't think rereg trolls who get to post a post or 2 before being banned are the biggest problem on the site. One click gets rid of them. It's the posters regularly disrupting discussions with nonsense that need to be targeted.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That is exactly the experience that I noted earlier up the thread. I recently brought up a case in dispute resolution as the same moderator warned me for 'anecdote' in a quite separate thread that had no such warning on page 1. But aside from that, this criteria about anecdote is clearly a means to censor certain posts and should have no place on boards imho.

    I've no doubt that you maybe correct when it comes to forums like personal relationships or nature. I think though your 'zero tolerance' approach would be impossible to police effectively on more contentious forums. Put simply, people have different views - one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. So such 'zero tolerance' would inevitably end up as censorship.

    In face such a 'zero tolerance' strategy has echoes of the current ministers 'Hate Speech' legislation. I suspect that if you ran a poll on the 'Hate Speech', you'd find that many posters here from all backgrounds would have reservations.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    A zero tolerance approach is fine, but before it's implemented you need to weed out the very odd rogue mod.

    A mod sending a snotty PM to tell you you've been warned for being uncivil, or in response to a genuine query about the warning gets people's backs up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Doxxing should be a capital offence on this site, and I believe is taken incredibly seriously by the mods/admins. It’s just a shame that they can’t police it when it’s committed on “other” sites.

    An excellent mod, poster and person was run off this very site by such actions. And the “Radio” forum has been the lesser for it since.

    Thankfully, the suspect in that “case” has, since, been banned from the site, but for other reasons, and, I believe, banned for re-regging and trying to continue their obsessive, and deeply personal, campaign against a, well known, public figure.

    The less doxxers online the better, as far as I’m concerned.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis





  • tried to quote someone again, but when posted quote had disappeared ¯\_(ツ)_/¯





  • well you yourself thought it perfectly alright to dox me. The person you pointed out as myself and another poster doxxing had already posted their own name very visibly on this forum. As in “my real name is Aaron”. But it didn’t fit the narrative of accusation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Surely moderation will soon be carried out by AI?

    A non biased (assuming it isn't written by people without a particular axe to grind) moderation tool that allows discussion to occur without the editorialising that has driven so many users away from this site (yes this is a thing, just cast an eye towards the sites created by ex users of this platform for clarification of this).

    If boards is faltering it is because it is pushing it's core demographic away, we all know discussion boards aren't attracting younger users and that the Internet is moving away from the discussion board format etc but at the same time boards has made it clear that certain opinions really aren't welcome here and while that's the sites perogative you can't be shocked when traffic decreases over time.

    If boards wants to continue to be relevant it needs to have a more agnostic, non partisan outlook.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Excuse me? I have never doxxed anyone. That is a scurrilous accusation that should be withdrawn.

    I never “pointed out” you for anything either. You’re just making stuff up.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis





  • the trouble with more people doing stints as mods is they are open to “revenge posting” as happened on this thread re my time modding. Who in the name of God would want to sign up for this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Also had a similar experience with my original account.



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