Clean Air/Congestion Charging set to be introduced by 2030

Did you live through 2008 to 2013? People have been trapped by negative equity. Not everyone can afford to life in Dublin City.

The penny just dropped for me. If the green wallpaper party want to put congestion tax in place.

That's better for me. Less traffic on the road, I will fly into work. Again a success for the Greens.

"Getting a motorcycle isn't an option for most people in Ireland as if you've only done your Cat B (car) test, you'd literally have to go right back to the start to get a Cat A (motorcycle) permit, and go through the entire process again. Motorcycles AFAIK also don't have the same pollution control devices and are less safe for the rider as they'll just fly off it in any kind of crash, as opposed to a driver who has a seat belt, airbags and the roof of the car. Something like an e-scooter might work but the driver licensing rules would need to be changed to allow licensed Cat B drivers to more easily add motorcycle categories."

It's not an option for most people in Ireland ? are we special compared to those on the continent ? it works in most other European countries, so what, go get a learner permit, I did it. it's no big deal, 3 days IBT training, get cert, get helmet and gear, get bike, insurance go ride, get lessons, pass test job done. I'm in the early days of learning mind you but I can already see the benefits 2 wheels have compared to cars and big crossovers clogging the streets, it's just not a good solution to congesting continuing with passenger cars to transport 1 person and adding lots of 2 tonne + electric cars isn't going to help.

You don't have to get a cat A license , you can start with A2 which allows you ride up to 35 Kw. that's more than enough for most normal people.

There are plenty of modern fuel efficient and current emissions compliant motorcycles and scooters today that can achieve up to 2.3 L/100 km or 100 mpg and sometimes more. Less fuel means less Co2 right ?

The twist and go scooters are very easy to ride, 125 or 300 cc Honda Forza, Honda Sh125/300i or Yamaha Xmax etc.

we need a change of attitude when it comes to moving people around, passenger cars for 1 person is the wrong way to do it, in my opinion, I know many people can't move to 2 wheels but many could and our streets would be a lot less congested.

So that just brings it back to peak cars everyone driving and no one able to move anywhere. Your hour commute becomes 3hrs. How will that help.

Wow. Post of the year there.

The main question is that the Green party want to punish the less well off in society by the way of taxes, leaving the rich and wealthy in society to use the roads, free of traffic because the Green Party thinks taxing the people with hardly much to their name, the climate and therefore save the world.

They'll get no votes or preferences from me and if they were to go the way of the Labour Party, then good riddance to them. Why don't they support Nuclear energy for such a small country? Costs too much? I thought we're wealthy? Most of the help they've given out is beyond helping the less well off as they most likely don't own their own homes to pay for upgrades or to get something like a €5,000 discount on a car that's worth nearly €50,000 grand or more just to cut down on emissions.

I just asked how will more traffic make it better....and you have no answer.

The “facts” are car manufacturers lied.

Just to jump in on this one.

You're post above is ridiculously pedantic. Your own quote from Ryan has him stating that women and LGBTQ groups are disproportionately affected by climate change, and you want to focus on whether the word Irish is mentioned?

If that's the level of argument then you HAVE no argument.

But, for the sake of morbid interest, what do you think Ryan is on about? What on earth does someone's sexual preferences or view of their identity have on their exposure or impact from climate events? Do floods or droughts affect women and gay people more than straight people or something?

Eamon Ryan is someone that really should remember that old phrase - "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt!"

It's called virtue signalling. They talk the good talk, " the world is burning" "Ireland will be the leaders in the fight against climate change" etc etc, meanwhile they do nothing useful except raise taxes on the vehicles people can afford or choose to buy, EV is not a viable alternative for many and for those with no home charging, it is not yet, if it ever will be as convenient as filling up in 3 mins for 600-900 Kms range. The greens want you sitting for hrs and hrs of your life plugged into public chargers. I drive EV but we have a diesel also and we take this at times when going to places where the infrastructure is poor which is still a huge problem.

Nuclear energy in Ireland is illegal, it isn't allowed, I agree, it has huge potential, it's 100% 0 emission and the fuel supply is virtually unlimited, there's thousands of years worth of Nuclear fuel and billions of years worth in the sea if they ever get fusion to work. there's going to be a nuclear renaissance in the coming decades as new and much more efficient reactor designs come online and as usual Ireland will be decades behind, begging for foreign energy and paying a high price in the process.

With nuclear we can make all the electricity we want, convert water to hydrogen and use this for cars, it can be burned directly without modification. We can use nuclear to develop what they call Efuels which are direct replacement for petrol and diesel, this is a process that uses hydrogen and Co2 from the atmosphere or industry. Early stages of this technology but we will need a lot of energy to produce it and it can really only come from nuclear and while it's far more efficient to charge EV batteries this is not practical for Planes, trains, HGV etc as the batteries would have to be too large and heavy. But efuel might be a viable alternative to producing batteries which require 2 million litres of fresh water for every 1 tonne of lithium produced which is enough to make 100 electric cars. There are grown environmental concerns about battery production but are still being heavily pushed by the E.U and the IPCC due to the effect of lowering Co2, nothing else matters to these people, no environmental issues as Co2 to them is a world ending gas no matter the consequences to anything else on Earth.

Lithium mining was blocked at Mount Leinster because locals didn't want the destruction but it's fine to have this mining in other countries, why aren't the Government themselves exploiting our own reserves of Lithium ? because they know the devastation caused.

Whatever impact Ireland has on climate change one way or the other can't be measured compared to the emissions from other countries yet the Irish Government see it absolutely necessary to tax us to oblivion, it makes no sense. But whatever government gets in they won't reduce or eliminate the carbon tax or reduce the other extortionate taxes on energy.

The Government has always been great at inventing taxes but not finding real solutions to real problems and it won't change because the mindset is the same no matter what government.

I thought the rich people in Ranelagh would still be driving their range rovers regardless of congestion charges. I don't live in a leafy area and vote Green, I'm just sick of the city being ruined by traffic.

Weve had them all along but now are being forced out of production due to demand for large suv style cars!

Perfect case in point Is the death of the 1 liter segment it was perfect for Ireland the Fiesta,corsa etc all gone now!

Japan have the right idea with the Kei car segment!

I'm not here to do your research for you. Do you have anything to back up your claim or is it more of your fantasy material?

Reasons such as?

The usual reason seems to be wanting to have the mansion-sized house that they can't afford in Dublin.

Not sure why you keep going back to electric cars. Most electric cars weight less than 2 tonne and less than larger SUV/Crossover combustion.

Also the Green Party motto is to drive the car you have till it falls off the roads and then if you have to replace it, do it with as environment friendly as possible.

Lots of new bus routes are been announced. I personally would prefer trains but they seem to be going the bus direction

https://www.thejournal.ie/67-new-enhanced-bus-services-ireland-announced-5997869-Feb2023/

You get that women and gay people have less income, less resources, and less access to opportunities in much of the developing world?