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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,757 ✭✭✭s8n


    The MCD and Oxegen back in the day changed things a lot and its never recovered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,028 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Everything dies out eventually.

    Once its gone this site will be forgotten about in a week.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks for confirming.

    So a co-moderator can choose to do nothing about a report about another mod, so posters are really reliant on CMods coming across such reports themselves.

    I guess that means if a poster wants to make a report about a mod they should also pm a CMod to advise them of same, to ensure that it does actually get seen by a CMod and doesn't just "fall through the cracks".

    And while reporting a mod might be pointless to begin with, (as you've said yourself) it is still good to know.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,817 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    But a CMod will still have to foward to an Admin to issue a warning though. I cannot issue a Warning to an Education Mod in the Soccer Forum for example. Not sure why Cmods cannot warn a Mod, must be a Vanilla thing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,817 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Again, you might say futile, I would say, if a post deserves a warning, it should get one. As I've said, just because a poster believes a post deserves a warning, doesn't mean it does. That would be down to a Mod/CMod/Admin to view it and make a judgement - irrespective if it's got to do with a Mod or not.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I wasn't aware of that!!

    Definitely must be a "Vanilla thing"

    Something else for the to-do list.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Any moderator can chose to ignore any report.

    If you think you have a legitimate complaint against a moderator and you've reported it and haven't seen any action, it can be worth PMing another moderator in the forum to highlight the complaint, or indeed contact a Cat-Mod or Admin directly yourself.

    Edit to add: but any action taken against the moderator is unlikely to be discussed with you. Same as actions taken against other posters aren't discussed either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    100%, it seems that the lack of mods is an excuse to keep on some of the mods who aren’t up to the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Same. I posted “Gosh, Jeremy must really hate Good Fridays now”. Deleted without any message/PM.

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with my post, a bit of humour. Deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,058 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    One thing that annoys me about Boards.ie is you can't Taylor make it to suit you.

    When I click into my other social media pages it's fairly relevant to me.

    When I click into the home page on this I see loads of threads for sports/hobbies that I've zero interest in.

    If I could make these forums dissappear I could see more threads suited to me.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, it turns out only an Admin can issue a warning to mod after all?

    Well, I guess we've all learned something here today.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,817 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Only took 300 posts and around 11,000 views in less than 2 days in a thread re the site is a graveyard.

    Ironic much.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You can view only forums you follow, or you can view "All".

    The option on mobile is on the top right of the screen.

    View: All

    Screenshot_20240331-135015.png

    The option on desktop is in the tabs.

    Latest Posts: My Forums: My Threads etc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Just on this, can’t remember which forum I saw it, could have been prison, but a poster asked for a CMod to review their ban and complaint about a Mod. The CMod was actually the mod they were complaining about. And they just upheld the ban.

    Is it feasible that a mod is going to report themselves to Admin??



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If a CMod is the subject of a complaint then it automatically goes to an Admin. The subject of a complaint cannot be the one to adjudicate on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭Dan Steely
    1 missile, 165 schoolgirls




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Maybe I’m misremembering and it wasn’t a complaint, but the original mod was definetly the CMod and just brushed off the poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,058 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    You can though if you're on mobile. On the home page switch the view from "All" to "Following" in the little dropdown box above the forums. Then the only threads you see are the ones you actively choose to follow (also any forums you follow).

    Doesn't work quite as well on desktop tbh. Then again the whole Vanilla platform model seems more mobile based with a desktop version added on for the sake of having it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,574 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Sorry for disagreeing with you but there’s very few mods capable of doing what you’re outlining below - and theres a post not far from yours that’s doing just that right now -


    “With enough experience we can almost instantly tell when someone’s giving an opinion to partake in the discussion vs someone just trying to get a rise.”



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Honestly, it's a bit rich to be bemoaning the absence of the middle ground, then coming out with the far-right trope about the hate speech legislation will be the end of the world.

    Click into your bookmarks page, rather than the home page.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussions/bookmarked

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    yeah you can’t warn mods in or out of their forum. It’s a vanilla thing.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    you don’t have to apologise for disagreeing with me, I don’t care in the nicest way possible haha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,574 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    well mods not caring is probably half the issue here - there’s lots of posters with mod after their name but most don’t appear to be active modding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    And then you wonder why your reputation is so low.

    Did you even for one second consider just not posting that snide remark?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The changeover a few years back was a complete and utter disaster.

    It took several days (if not weeks) of site outage when it was planned to be completed initially over a weekend. Then it took several more weeks (if not months) before it became clear what the new experience would be like.

    The complete disappearance of critical functions, specifically around modding (cards display system for example) showed that the scope and agreement with vanilla for the changeover was mismanaged and not even understood appropriately before any contract was even signed.

    Some other things that were lost directly in the changeover that impacted the users experience which again influences visitors to the site was the loss of the 'Most thanked' posts tab. That was something that used to bring me to the site every day and often I would spend significant time on the threads linked from that tab. Poof, gone, in the changeover, never seen again.

    And because of the changeover many long term contributors (many of who modded as well) stepped away from the site and have never returned. Aside from their mod duties, many of these contributed on a lot of conversations. One in particular also ran 'Best……..' competitions which were highly popular and again gave people a positive experience when coming to the site.

    Aside from this, unless you were on the site, you had no clue (and still don't) as to what is happening on it. I know Boards doesn't have a budget for advertising or anything like that but I'm sure the likes of 2fm/todayfm would run a no cost piece once a week where they'd talk about some key conversations that were happening on the site as a form of advertisement. Those stations would happily use such an update for 5 minutes to provide content for their shows. Also, I'm nearly ten years a member now and can set up my account to send me emails every time someone quotes me or whatever. And yet, I've never received an email from the site telling me about popular threads or topics which again could drive traffic back to the site. Has there been a single planned initiative to bring traffic to the site?

    And added to all this, and as I've said before on threads like this, the modding experience since the changeover is just shocking. For all involved. There is zero accountability for the most senior mod now in their style or implementation of modding and that has been a very large reason why I've posted maybe 4-5 times total in the last 6 months or so. I respect the effort they have put in to the site for so long, but because of the absence of other strong personalities around with or involved with the site, it has gotten out of control and overall paints a negative image of how the place works right now. I'd say I was banned from a total of 1-2 threads in my time on here (7-8 years) up until the changeover. Since then, it's probably 4-6 threads, all by this same person and when I've asked for CMod review etc, I've had zero response or engagement. It's a problem.

    This also caught my eye just now.

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    A site administrator, several years in to the new site, does not understand the moderation system and process. No disrespect to the posters involved here, at all. But for such a situation to exist at this point is a massive red flag with respect to structures/process/communication at the mod/admin level. I don't think any site could expect to thrive in such an environment. Unless it was deliberately courting crazy conspiracy type posting, which Boards obviously isn't doing.

    And this is probably a quote from the last one of these threads last year or whenever but I still stand by it; 'Good Moderation won't bring people to the site, but bad moderation will make them leave'.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I don't have time now to read the full thread but here goes.

    The majority of the mods, cmods and admins are grand, but all it takes is one bad mod to ruin a forum. If posters complain that should be taken on board. One power-hungry mod delighted with their modship is a pathetic sight to behold.

    Ease up on the "off topic" obsession, no one stands up in the middle of a normal conversation and demands everyone sticks to the original topic.

    Let zombie threads run, they still have relevant posts and can be added to even if the original posters have disappeared.

    People offended by a topic/thread should be advised not to read it or threadbanned if necessary. The AH Woke thread was shut down because the sensitive posters and faux right on posters continuously reported posts. The point of it was to laugh at stuff, not be lectured by Karens.

    Cull the obvious trolls who post one after another and thank each other's posts, we all know who they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭DopeTech




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭Dan Steely
    1 missile, 165 schoolgirls


    What were the reasons for the Talk To companies leaving the site?



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    A site administrator, several years in to the new site, does not understand the moderation system and process. No disrespect to the posters involved here, at all. But for such a situation to exist at this point is a massive red flag with respect to structures/process/communication at the mod/admin level.

    I have never professed to know everything about the site, and things that work on Vanilla today may completely change tomorrow with an update. Administrators have no input into communication with Vanilla. We're moderators with a few extra tools. I have no idea of the background workings of the site. I was a Category Moderator for a long time, which is maybe why I wasn't aware a moderator couldn't action another moderator. Category Moderators obviously could. When I was a moderator (on VBulletin) we could action other mods.

    Honestly - people ask for transparency and communication. I hold my hands up and admit there was a function that I wasn't aware of, and suddenly this is a "massive red flag"?! Really?! Mike, the only paid Boards.ie employee, often has to go to Vanilla to question a function or lack of function. The fact that I now know that moderators can't action other moderators is something I will be questioning. Maybe the others already know about it. Maybe it is something that is being addressed.

    Maybe I'm the only Admin who isn't omnipotent!



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