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Clean Air/Congestion Charging set to be introduced by 2030

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    #212
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭well24


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953644#Comment_121953644

    Its not being disingenuous if I do not see improvements i.e. if any of the improvements have affected me directly!

    OK the bus runs 24 hours, but I dont take the bus at 2am for example :)

    You asked if I had noticed any improvements and no is the answer! In fact, I see it as a little worse cause the new buses dont hold as many passengers…

    For me I did factor in the commute, I had driven for years, and I wanted to try buses..

    Dont get me wrong the service is OK, Im happy enough with it, but 3 out of 5 mornings I have to take the private run bus as the 101x is always full by the time it gets to my stop… if it was not for this then 101x would be terrible, but I have a different option which makes it feasible (not public run transport tho)..

    You asked very specific questions which I answered truthfully, sorry if they did not line up with your thinking.

    Just to refresh:

    Busy = very, so much so that a private operator has taken up the slack, if not for them the 101x would be terrible.

    Cheaper
    - not sure about that, have been using it for past 6 years and hard to
    tell, at the mo I use Leap but in the past I had got a yearly ticket
    thru work..

    Options - definitely no - not more frequent at rush hour, still the same options bus and train!



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    #213
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    THe bus stops are so close together, cash payments still being taken is comedy... everything in Dublin North to South is funnelled down a very narrow corridor. We need a metro, as currently in planning and then one out via rathmines up to knocklyon area...



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    #214
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭well24


    Another point is quite a few passengers just take the private bus (in and out), they dont bother with the 101x..

    I do a mix cause it works out cheaper for me.. otherwise I would use private bus, far more reliable and usually more seats available…



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    #215
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953802#Comment_121953802

    You might not use the improvements, but you do see it, as you've described some of them.



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    #216
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953869#Comment_121953869

    Almost like you have options…



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    #217
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭SeanW


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952142#Comment_121952142

    That sounds like a catchy platitude, but in the real world, people like their ability to get around. That's why so many people own cars, or in some parts of the world if they're really poor, motorcycles (e.g. Southeast Asia).

    If poor people are uniquely excluded from that, IMO that's a real problem.



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    #218
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭well24


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953894#Comment_121953894

    Some implies plural, I mentioned 1!

    And Equally, described some decline in service :)

    Post edited by well24 on


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    #219
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭well24


    so was working today.. had to stay late and no express bus after 6.. seriously!
    on a weekday last express but is b4 6.. some serious improvements could be made



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    #220
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭well24



    @flinty997 Almost like you have options

    I know you just said that to get a rise out of me !! Suppose the best you can do when you have nothing else to offer…

    You know very well this is not provided by our national transport system. Someone saw a flaw in our transport and is filling it



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    #221
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 10,676 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953509#Comment_121953509

    Now come, surely you are old enough to have been around in 2007-11 and interested in politics/ current affairs???

    The Green Party were the only politicians in that administration that I recall pushing the 'ban the bedsit' agenda. I don't recall any particular FF enthusiasm for it, far from it as landlords weren't too happy with the idea.

    This was entirely a Green Party policy of that government… no one else.

    It met resistance and wasn't fully implemented till the next administration but this was the Green Party's baby.

    And they should be ashamed of themselves, ultimately contributing to the jacking up of rents, leading to more homelessness and more carbon being burnt in long commutes. It was a stupid unthought out idea with consequences they never considered.

    I canvassed for the Green Party prior to this. I never once heard that was a policy we were pushing.

    So back and do yer homework.



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    #222
    Scipri0
    Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951148#Comment_121951148

    I came up with this being against lower incomes because yes, that's true! A congestion charge for a minimum wageworker will cost them much more than a person with wealth. They'll have the roads to themselves. Businesses will be hurt if people decide to avoid areas where congestion charges are in place. I'll keep saying it, This is a tax on the less well off, It's all the Green Party are capable of tax,tax,tax!



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    #223
    Scipri0
    Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951303#Comment_121951303

    You can cheap run around. The charges need to be proportionate to income, anything less, and it's a tax on the less well off.



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    #224
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954030#Comment_121954030

    No just pointing from someone saying they had definitely no options. You actually mention quite a few options.

    This in a thread about a congestion zone, which some will have no option other to drive into it. Which I think is a genuinely the case for many people.



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    #225
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,286 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954219#Comment_121954219

    No reason for charges to be proportionate to income, if that was the case, all taxation would be income taxation. That is a ridiculous argument.



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    #226
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951489#Comment_121951489

    I don't have a car. I know plenty of people who don't too and get by just fine. It's not because of being poor. Plenty of people have made that choice because they can in fact afford to not have a car



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    #227
    Kiteview
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Kiteview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954469#Comment_121954469

    Actually it isn’t a ridiculous argument. A flat charge won’t deter high wealth people but will deter low wealth people - and allowing for an “It’s okay to pollute if you are rich” principle won’t help public acceptance of the charge.

    The same point incidentally should apply for court fines etc. It does for instance in Finland where, twenty years or so ago, a Dot Com multimillionaire automatically received a €1 million+ speeding fine after being caught speeding for the third time.



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    #228
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954204#Comment_121954204

    Guess what, don't drive a car and then it's not tax,tax,tax

    A city centre more public friendly will make it better for business, like most European cities. As we have seen for years cars going into Dublin isn't improving the city centre is it? the opposite in fact

    So maybe you can explain after many years why you think a city centre based on cars is a success?

    The parts I see of the city which are really getting better is the sections closing off traffic. Imagine that



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    #229
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954121#Comment_121954121

    You fill every thread with the same nonsense. I am sure the government thread is probably a better point to fill it with the anti government nonsense waffle

    No need to drag every thread down.

    In terms of the comment "So back and do yer homework" …..I do know you fire that up to get a reaction and when someone responds you run to the mods to get them banned 😂



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    #230
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954560#Comment_121954560

    Wealthy people don't get wealthy by firing around money.

    Go to London and travel the underground etc. Guess who is on it? everyone from every background

    So this has been tested all over the World and people use public transport so trying to say Ireland is different is based on what exactly?

    Some random case from Finland means nothing by the way.



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    #231
    Kiteview
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Kiteview


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954630#Comment_121954630

    You seem to have misinterpreted the point I was making (or possibly I have misinterpreted the point the poster I was replying to was making).



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    #232
    jimmyrusseII
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    So, on top of PAYE, PRSI, USC, VAT, Motor, LPT & Stamp Duty, they're adding another indirect tax.

    Meanwhile 25% of Europe's Data Centre's operate here, their construction leaving a massive carbon footprint, and their operation putting a huge demand on our power grid, and the corporations that own them pay…. 12.5% (on paper, after clever accounting practices they probably pay less).

    Sounds Fair.



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    #233
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,603 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953139#Comment_121953139

    Is this as reliable as your assessment about how the DLR councillors were going to kill off the Living Streets plan with 'a strong majority'? 🤣🤣🤣

    As it happens, Ryan ruled congestion charges for now before Donohue.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eamon-ryan-not-in-favour-of-congestion-charges-6339447-Mar2024/



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    #234
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,603 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954121#Comment_121954121

    Just ICYMI, bedsit legislation was brought in 2013, by a government that had no Green involvement.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954204#Comment_121954204

    Many people with lower incomes can't afford to buy and maintain a car. Where's your concern about the travel costs of those who don't have a car?



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    #235
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i agree with what the lad whose username starts with a capital F and has a 99 in it says.

    (i sometimes get them confused)



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    #236
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954204#Comment_121954204

    Working class people and those on lower wages aren't voting Green anyway and the Green's know it. I've met several snooty types who can afford to drop 70k on an electric car who are all pro congestion charges as it prices those who can't afford it off the roads. Driving will only be done by the upper middle and rich classes in 10 years time if these Green lunatics have their way.



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    #237
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,927 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955820#Comment_121955820

    many of us snooty types can afford cars but choose not to have one. the only reason i would like congestion charges is because it might stop people who don't need to be driving into town from doing so thus leaving us with a less congested cleaner city. i work with people from artane and kilmainham that drive to work in the city centre just because they can, they should be charged for that in my opinion.



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    #238
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955582#Comment_121955582

    You are being unreasonable. Everyone knows for a fact that a congestion charge will save the planet by forcing China and India to curtail their ever increasing CO2 output. China and India are going to look at each other and say; 'will you just look at those amazing Irish, gosh! 0.3% of global CO2 emissions and they are introducing a congestion charge. We must immediately stop our efforts to drag our populations from relative poverty to where we have the prosperity they enjoy.

    Bring on the congestion charge, I say, it's going to change everything.



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    #239
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955982#Comment_121955982

    They are charged for it already. Motor tax, tax on fuel, VRT etc….

    This notion that car drivers "need to pay" is BS. We pay more than enough already.



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    #240
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,927 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956071#Comment_121956071

    you need to pay more for the privilege of clogging up the city centres though, or leave it at home



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    #241
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955982#Comment_121955982

    Agreed, motorists are not charged for anything, it's all free, don't believe those scurrilous lies about Ireland having the third highest costs of motoring in the EU. All lies I tell you, they pay nothing.



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