Approval at cabinet was given yesterday for a strategy that will see council funding tied to implementing clean air and or congestion charging by 2030 as part of the sustainability push.
Even if it is some way off, I find it hard to see how a largely regressive taxation measure is going to go down well. Or maybe 2030 is too far away for people to care?
THe bus stops are so close together, cash payments still being taken is comedy... everything in Dublin North to South is funnelled down a very narrow corridor. We need a metro, as currently in planning and then one out via rathmines up to knocklyon area...
Another point is quite a few passengers just take the private bus (in and out), they dont bother with the 101x..
I do a mix cause it works out cheaper for me.. otherwise I would use private bus, far more reliable and usually more seats available…
You might not use the improvements, but you do see it, as you've described some of them.
Almost like you have options…
That sounds like a catchy platitude, but in the real world, people like their ability to get around. That's why so many people own cars, or in some parts of the world if they're really poor, motorcycles (e.g. Southeast Asia).
If poor people are uniquely excluded from that, IMO that's a real problem.
Some implies plural, I mentioned 1!
And Equally, described some decline in service :)
so was working today.. had to stay late and no express bus after 6.. seriously! on a weekday last express but is b4 6.. some serious improvements could be made
@flinty997 Almost like you have options
I know you just said that to get a rise out of me !! Suppose the best you can do when you have nothing else to offer…
You know very well this is not provided by our national transport system. Someone saw a flaw in our transport and is filling it
Now come, surely you are old enough to have been around in 2007-11 and interested in politics/ current affairs???
The Green Party were the only politicians in that administration that I recall pushing the 'ban the bedsit' agenda. I don't recall any particular FF enthusiasm for it, far from it as landlords weren't too happy with the idea.
This was entirely a Green Party policy of that government… no one else.
It met resistance and wasn't fully implemented till the next administration but this was the Green Party's baby.
And they should be ashamed of themselves, ultimately contributing to the jacking up of rents, leading to more homelessness and more carbon being burnt in long commutes. It was a stupid unthought out idea with consequences they never considered.
I canvassed for the Green Party prior to this. I never once heard that was a policy we were pushing.
So back and do yer homework.
I came up with this being against lower incomes because yes, that's true! A congestion charge for a minimum wageworker will cost them much more than a person with wealth. They'll have the roads to themselves. Businesses will be hurt if people decide to avoid areas where congestion charges are in place. I'll keep saying it, This is a tax on the less well off, It's all the Green Party are capable of tax,tax,tax!
You can cheap run around. The charges need to be proportionate to income, anything less, and it's a tax on the less well off.
No just pointing from someone saying they had definitely no options. You actually mention quite a few options.
This in a thread about a congestion zone, which some will have no option other to drive into it. Which I think is a genuinely the case for many people.
No reason for charges to be proportionate to income, if that was the case, all taxation would be income taxation. That is a ridiculous argument.
Actually it isn’t a ridiculous argument. A flat charge won’t deter high wealth people but will deter low wealth people - and allowing for an “It’s okay to pollute if you are rich” principle won’t help public acceptance of the charge.
The same point incidentally should apply for court fines etc. It does for instance in Finland where, twenty years or so ago, a Dot Com multimillionaire automatically received a €1 million+ speeding fine after being caught speeding for the third time.
Guess what, don't drive a car and then it's not tax,tax,tax
A city centre more public friendly will make it better for business, like most European cities. As we have seen for years cars going into Dublin isn't improving the city centre is it? the opposite in fact
So maybe you can explain after many years why you think a city centre based on cars is a success?
The parts I see of the city which are really getting better is the sections closing off traffic. Imagine that
You fill every thread with the same nonsense. I am sure the government thread is probably a better point to fill it with the anti government nonsense waffle
No need to drag every thread down.
In terms of the comment "So back and do yer homework" …..I do know you fire that up to get a reaction and when someone responds you run to the mods to get them banned 😂
Wealthy people don't get wealthy by firing around money.
Go to London and travel the underground etc. Guess who is on it? everyone from every background
So this has been tested all over the World and people use public transport so trying to say Ireland is different is based on what exactly?
Some random case from Finland means nothing by the way.
You seem to have misinterpreted the point I was making (or possibly I have misinterpreted the point the poster I was replying to was making).
So, on top of PAYE, PRSI, USC, VAT, Motor, LPT & Stamp Duty, they're adding another indirect tax.
Meanwhile 25% of Europe's Data Centre's operate here, their construction leaving a massive carbon footprint, and their operation putting a huge demand on our power grid, and the corporations that own them pay…. 12.5% (on paper, after clever accounting practices they probably pay less).
Sounds Fair.
Is this as reliable as your assessment about how the DLR councillors were going to kill off the Living Streets plan with 'a strong majority'? 🤣🤣🤣
As it happens, Ryan ruled congestion charges for now before Donohue.
Just ICYMI, bedsit legislation was brought in 2013, by a government that had no Green involvement.
Many people with lower incomes can't afford to buy and maintain a car. Where's your concern about the travel costs of those who don't have a car?
i agree with what the lad whose username starts with a capital F and has a 99 in it says.
(i sometimes get them confused)
Working class people and those on lower wages aren't voting Green anyway and the Green's know it. I've met several snooty types who can afford to drop 70k on an electric car who are all pro congestion charges as it prices those who can't afford it off the roads. Driving will only be done by the upper middle and rich classes in 10 years time if these Green lunatics have their way.
many of us snooty types can afford cars but choose not to have one. the only reason i would like congestion charges is because it might stop people who don't need to be driving into town from doing so thus leaving us with a less congested cleaner city. i work with people from artane and kilmainham that drive to work in the city centre just because they can, they should be charged for that in my opinion.
You are being unreasonable. Everyone knows for a fact that a congestion charge will save the planet by forcing China and India to curtail their ever increasing CO2 output. China and India are going to look at each other and say; 'will you just look at those amazing Irish, gosh! 0.3% of global CO2 emissions and they are introducing a congestion charge. We must immediately stop our efforts to drag our populations from relative poverty to where we have the prosperity they enjoy.
Bring on the congestion charge, I say, it's going to change everything.
They are charged for it already. Motor tax, tax on fuel, VRT etc….
This notion that car drivers "need to pay" is BS. We pay more than enough already.
you need to pay more for the privilege of clogging up the city centres though, or leave it at home
Agreed, motorists are not charged for anything, it's all free, don't believe those scurrilous lies about Ireland having the third highest costs of motoring in the EU. All lies I tell you, they pay nothing.
don't pay enough in my opinion
I don't know the current figure, but it has amounted to 10% of total government revenues in the not so distant past. Yeah, I'm aware of your and the boards cyclist caliphate's attitude to motoring and extra urban living. It's hard to miss.
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