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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ryan, like others of his ilk within the E.U., was talking when he should have been listening and even now with their NRL in tatters he is still doing it. For the leader of a party that was threatening to collapse the government if they didn`t get their way on the pointless exercise of culling cattle numbers to claim that he stood with farmers protesting across Europe " because the truth is our farmers don`t get paid properly" is laughable. Does he think farmers are protesting all over Europe because they believe all this Green Deal proposed legislation is going to pay them too much.

    Belgium have the E.U. rotating presidency until the end of June and as they are going to abstain from voting on this NRL then I would not see Belgium having an appetite for putting much effort into passing this law under their presidency before the E.U. elections in June. After June the presidency moves to Hungary for the next 6 months and Hungary has said it will vote against. Hungary is not like Ireland cowing to every edict that comes from Brussels and have shown they are well able for horse trading. I would have thought the E.U. would have moved on from the "democracy" of the Lisbon Treaty where we had to keep voting until they got the result they wanted, but if anything they appear to have regressed even further and a vote on this NRL will be delayed indefinitely until backroom diplomacy gets the result Ryan and Co. want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The only concerning part in that article is the "Diesel rebates should also be phased out, as well as other subsidies on fossil fuels" which will affect the hauliers delivering goods and to the farmers producing food which will lead to higher prices at the Supermarkets.

    The rest will most likely occur even if the Greens aren't in power..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you're still going to see "anti-car" measures coming through though without any greens, look at dun laoighaire, most who voted in favour of the new scheme weren't green councillors. did you not say that you knew some councillers who said it wouldn't pass, lol?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    You're a bold man to be making political predictions with your track record



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    This very thing is what had farmers and hauliers on the streets of Germany not so long ago, and the measures were reversed. Currently you can't run heavy machinery on batteries and removing diesel rebates will drive costs. But sure that's no surprise, hardly anything the greens introduce reduces costs.

    A lot of Dublin should be pedestrianised. I was in Liverpool recently and there's a big section around Liverpool One that's all pedestrianised and it was heaving. If done right, it could be a big thing for the city. The key is being able to move people and goods around that area where you can't drive through. This is where it would falter here as the starting point is no vehicles, not how better to move them. Personally, I'd start with pedestrianising a big section around Trinity and Stephens Green. I'd also demolish a lot of what's there and build up towards the clouds with shops, offices and homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    More Green propaganda now on RTE 1 with that forever doomster Philip Boucher Hayes. More reasons to not pay that licence fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Annoying to listen to Ryan on the last word this evening and mentioning Limerick as a shining example of changing the way the city centre operates. It's been turned into an absolute **** show. Shops closing left right and centre and no replacements in sight. Traffic nightmare due to ridiculous cycle lanes that aren't even used. If Limerick is the future then God help us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Does anyone under 45 actually have a telly anymore? The only time I ever watch(ed) RTE/BBC is/was in the pub..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Dundrum main street the same here in Dublin. Green's had a brainwave to put in a massive cycle lane and make the traffic one way and businesses have died a death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Just to note, you're linking to what amounts to a Chinese conspiracy site. Generally seems to get linked to when somebody wants to make outlandish claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,505 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I don't blame the EU for taking a stance on climate control. The fact of that matter is aside from the countries being severely affected ie Africa, parts of Asia etc who are right now experiencing severe climate issues is that the EU is going to be heavily impacted as a result of these disasters. EA is right on their doorstop so they know that migration will significantly increase 100/1000x over the next decade or two.

    The only way to combat is to reduce our footprint...this means reducing air travel, reducing food exports, no more importing beef from Argentina etc, no more exporting beef from Ireland across the world. Each country should only produce what they need and that's it.

    but its not going to happen. Too many vested interests.

    Drastic measures are required but Eamon is too much of a muppet to actually deal with it plus he's thoroughly unlikeable and comes across as a complete spoofer.

    Watch as our children and their children hammer the current generations for the state in which we've left the planet.

    And believe me..I'm not a green supporter but even I can see the writing is on the wall and the species is facing a massive climate crisis in the next 30 years or so if we continue doing the same ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Eamon is unpopular now, imagine he tried to implement measures that would actually be required to reduce our footprint drastically? It's a lost cause.

    You're right about migration, as it gets worse and worse in the poor global south, you would imagine they'll all just migrate north to europe and usa etc. in their millions and billions even. hopefully we're all dead before it gets really bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    How many businesses in Dundrum have closed since the implementation of the one way system? None that I've noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,555 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    they invent these lies, like people going on about all the businesses being destroyed in fairview because of the works there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭bluedex


    Turned it off straight away. I'm sure I wasn't only one.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Fairview example was one business that was closing down anyway and yet our crap media took it as gospel that it was due to the works

    In the UK right now there's similar lies going on about a bridal shop apparently losing some huge amount of their business causing them to move to a town without traffic restrictions.

    The owner had said she'd been looking to move to that specific town since before COVID, the traffic restrictions are far far newer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I watched it all i must admit out of curiosity. Zero balance, no debating, no questions pure doom porn. I should have known better i just find it utterly disgraceful as RTE is meant to be a public service broadcaster and yet here they are pushing a green agenda from a political party that garnered a tiny 5% of the electorate vote last time out and is set to be decimated at the ballot box next time out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    In fact when towns/village shut down traffic in them during covid it was a huge success and got families back into them.

    Not much fun trying to bring kids etc to a village/town when the entire thing is full of cars and some think they are driving a race track around it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Dublin city centre would be the opposite where the scum took over and are still a huge presence. Though I was up in the DAFM yesterday and strolled around that part of the city. I was pleasantly surprised not to encounter too many wasters. Long may it continue.

    In not so positive news, a Dublin-Galway bus route is closing due to lack of passengers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The stories of "scum took over" are coming from people who are never in Dublin city centre.

    Before covid you had dodgy spots, after covid you had dodgy spots. If you listened to people you are not able to walk down the street in daylight anymore in Dublin without been attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Yeah it was bad before, but is worse now. I've been around the city since Covid (not too often mind) and have noticed more gimps about than previously. Maybe I'm just more aware after all the talk about it in different sources and it just seems to be more around. The dodgy spots seem to be more and more nowadays too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Personally don't think it is worse or better. Still plenty of things to be fixed in city centre but some of the stuff at the moment is certainly over the top



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    I'd have thought with all the traffic congestion providing passive surveillance that Dublin city centre would be one of the safest places on earth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    There's definitely trouble and last time I visited (moved away during Covid) the place felt rougher, but yes Dublin has not turned into Kemo City off Quarantine..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That seems to be green thinking alright that each country should only produce what they need and that`s it, but how people who talk about global climate change not being able to see that a global shortage of food will kill you long before climate change to me is a mystery. And the E.U. are no guniuses in that regard either. Take wheat for example. The E.U exports on average 32 million tons of wheat annually. While they, the U.N. et al. were telling us that Ukraine not being able to export 12 million tons because of Putin`s war was going to result in hunger and famine famine in some developing countries, the E.U was attempting to push through a ban on pesticides where their own experts were telling them it would result in at least a 12 million ton reduction in E.U wheat yield.Our own homegrown green geniuses cattle culling brain fart being another example.

    As far as Asia is concerned I don`t see where we should have any compunction in the E.U. to wreck our economies on their behalf. Like charity, efforts on climate change should start at home. China is burning more coal than ever to produce green tech for export to boost their economy, India and Japan both told COP in Edinburgh they would burn away at coal for the sake of theirs, and both India and China are taking advantage of the E.U. ban on Putin`s gas and oil buying it from Putin at reduced rates.

    Africa is primarily nothing more than attempts at guilt tripping because some E.U. countries had colonies there in the past. THere is no shortage of E.U countries that were colonised in the past. Our own being one of the worlds longest running. But that seems to be forgotten or swept under the carpet as it doesn`t suit the narrative. The vast majority of immigrants from Africa and indeed South America, are economic immigrants not climate change immigrants. That has a lot more to do with those countries they are coming from due to mismanaging their own economies, large scale corruption, their never ending wars and coups, than a legacy of colonisation. Just to use food again as an example. Famine in Eithopia in 1985, Population 40 million. Another famine developing there now. Population 126.5 million. Last year their own government estimate that 15.8 million face hunger and they will need food aid. June 2023 the World Food Programme suspended all food aid to Eitiopia because of ongoing aid corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,306 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The first and easiest thing to do that would improve the city centre would be close those drug clinics.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Difficult one. The centralised clinics seem to be magnets for trouble, but how these people will handle their addictions without them is arguably far worse. Had more grief from feral kids.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,306 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The feral kids seem to be drawn to trouble brought by all the junkies plying their trade in the city centre IMO. It's like a Mecca for them to zip around on their electric bikes selling tablets and gear to them.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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