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Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 dalyboy
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    I just signed this and passed it on to friends to do likewise.

    Such a sorry state of affairs that a country known for its arts , poetry and literature has come to the point of having to sign a petition to assure us of right to speech. What's next ? Social credit scores ? "Social justice" courts ? Nightmare stuff



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,330 CatFromHue
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    Arson is already a crime and the Gardai are investigating, and have arrested people, over those arsons.

    Was just looking on Spunout.ie and they have

    "What are the laws on hate crimes in Ireland? 

    Currently, unlike most other EU countries, Ireland has no effective hate crime laws, apart from the very restricted Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 which narrowly deals with cases of hate speech aimed at inciting (causing) hatred. The Act makes it an offence to create or distribute racist, homophobic or other discriminatory materials. Someone found guilty of breaking this law can face a maximum of two years in prison and a fine of €10,000.

    In October 2019, an Garda introduced a working hate crime definition as part of its diversity and integration strategy. The strategy defines a hate crime as: 

    • Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to, in whole or in part, be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on actual or perceived age, disability, race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or gender"

    What are the laws on hate crimes in Ireland? - spunout

    So it looks like there's already legislation for dealing with hate crimes against LGBTQ+ people. A few years ago a guy vandalised The George pub with homophobic graffiti. He was arrested and charged for this. Now it turns out he got off on technicalities.

    This new legislation does look like it could turn out to be used as a form of Strategic Lawsuits against Public Participation (SLAPPS) which are where people use the threat of a lawsuit over defamation as a weapon to silence journalists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,532 Oscar_Madison
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    I will personally call my local Garda station up to 100 times a day reporting on neighbours who don’t express themselves in a politically correct manner - I’m sure the boys and girls in blue will only be delighted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 Vote4Squirrels
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    Boys and girls ??? What about those who identify as neither?? Report yourself sir!!!! ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,532 Oscar_Madison
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    Thank you brother for stopping me going the wrong path.

    War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

    I shall confess all my actions and await Big Brothers verdict and I will accept any punishment willingly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 Vote4Squirrels
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 1800_Ladladlad
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    Varadkar on the opponents of the bill;

    “Their agenda is one of hate and they are terrified that if this legislation goes through, they’re going to be held accountable,"....“They’re the ones we should stand up to.”

    Says the man who just stepped down while crying on the tele.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,532 Oscar_Madison
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    Interesting - the state compelling news agencies to hand over photographic and video evidence of the Dublin riots

    Asking them yes- compelling them? It places those covering such events in danger of becoming targets themselves in the future- another way the state wants to interfere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 _Kaiser_
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    This country is going down a very dangerous path - and it has nothing to do with the scaremongering over the "far-right"

    Instead we have mainstream parties, politicians, police and courts undermining our democracy at its core.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,039 Frank Bullitt
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    The only thing hate speech laws do, is cause more hate speech, which in turn then calls for even more restrictions. This, all because some people don't like hearing certain things said.

    Always remember, you have the ability to not listen and ignore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 Dick phelan
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    Hopefully, this will die a death but we need to keep the pressure on to make sure this is dead in the water. But I hope people will not forget every single person who voted for this draconian, anti-democratic nonsense come election time. SF once again showing they have zero principles, if they supported it once they will support it again under some other guise. For people who support this bill, remember laws can be used against you too. Sure you might like it now because it aligns with your views but there's nothing to see those in power can't change and suddenly your views can be the ones being suppressed. We should never give any government the sort of power this bill proposes. Give them an inch and they will eventually take a mile. The grip that NGO types have on this country is disturbing, this is seriously unpopular with the vast majority of the public but our government lives in a bubble and only listens to the NGO far left types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 dalyboy
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    What’s going to be an absolute sh1tshow is the courts. They’re going to be jam packed with ordinary Irish citizens who dared misspeak and hurt the “feels” of one of societies protected lambs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 buried
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    Nah let these F**king inept idiots bring it in. The establishment regime are so stupidly blind they can't see this bill can/will be used against THEM in the very near future when another political regime takes hold.

    Lets see the likes of f**king Sam McConkey state that all Irish men need a "licence" to walk outside in daylight then. Into prison you and your demented noise will go Samuel.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 MisterAnarchy
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    Another guy with a chip on his shoulder is Aodhan.

    "In 2014, he spoke of his experiences of being bullied in primary school and secondary school, which he attributes to the fact that he was taller than his peers"

    Most of these people campaigning for this legislation are people who have a chip on their shoulder and want to get even.

    "On 10 November 2016, Ó Ríordáin made a public statement in the Seanad that went viral on social media, in which he labelled President-elect Donald Trump as a "fascist" and a "monster"

    Another TDS sufferer, how predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 MisterAnarchy
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    Cry harder Leo.

    You wont be sneaking in anymore of your lousy unwanted legislation boyo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 tarvis
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    The video evidence from the ‘Let women speak’ demo in Dublin last year is also enlightening. It can be googled. It may surprise some people to see against whom some of our most prominent and best funded women’s organisations were noisily demonstrating on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 Hande hoche!
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    That part of his school experience is oddly fascinating, gives a glimpse into some of the likely motivation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,613 One eyed Jack
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    For people who support this bill, remember laws can be used against you too. Sure you might like it now because it aligns with your views but there's nothing to see those in power can't change and suddenly your views can be the ones being suppressed.


    What you’re describing there is democracy, and that’s not the only contradiction. Why would anyone who supports the bill because it offers them protection, be concerned about the idea that it could be used against them, when the only people who would do that are people opposed to the legislation in the first place? In those circumstances, it’s far more likely the Courts would see their efforts as nothing more than frivolous and vexatious attempt to suppress views that person or group disagrees with because the opinions being expressed don’t align with their views.

    That’s notwithstanding the fact that the bill is nothing more than the implementation of an EU wide initiative intended to tackle hate speech, and particularly the most common forms of hate speech which target specific groups and individuals in society. It’s really not all that different to the legislation it’s intended to replace which has been in law since 1989.

    If however, in the unlikely event that Sinn Féin were ever to enter into Government, the nation would have much bigger problems, that Sinn Féin in particular would want to ensure people couldn’t talk about. Fortunately, most people take a very dim view of kneecapping as a means of thugs meting out their own brand of justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,741 MisterAnarchy
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    Thats exactly it, these people have an agenda, they arent objective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 Vote4Squirrels
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    That our “National Women’s Council” actively shouted down an event supporting women’s rights will continue to concern me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 gym_imposter
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    The deputy in question is busy auditioning for a NGO job,his seat is shaky as hell so he's been virtue signalling even more than usual recently

    Post Dail planning



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,532 Oscar_Madison
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    100% - can I encourage posters to just quote the above post regularly as the pages progress - nothing more needs to be said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 suvigirl
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    Read it. Line by line. Then come back and debate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 Vote4Squirrels
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    We have. You seem to be seeing something else in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 eightieschewbaccy
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    It's a chip on one's shoulder to discuss one's experience of bullying? I'm not a fan of his overall but I'm not seeing anything wrong with his statement. You have a bit of an obsession with people who criticize Trump but that's not very relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 suvigirl
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    There is an obligation for gardai to collect ALL evidence in a criminal investigation, whether it benefits them or not. (DPP V Bradish) If they did not collect all evidence, videos, photos etc then the court would hold that they didn't do the job correctly and cases could be struck out.

    Surely identifying and charging everybody involved in criminal damage, thefts, burglaries during that incident deserve to be brought to justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 suvigirl
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    No. You clearly have not. You don't understand, which you proved in your post yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,532 Oscar_Madison
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    Using the same methods they would use to raid your house? Are you happy with that? The official press and media?

    Sorry no-,that’s not right. I’ve no doubt the good media people of Ireland would willingly share information that would bring people to justice - just don’t force them to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,660 suvigirl
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    They wouldn't be forced, if they willingly handed over evidence!



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