Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945590#Comment_121945590

Yeah I’d be in agreement around the independents increasing in number - it’s what happens when the country is fed up with party politics and also when parties display as weak and right now there’s not one party that’s claiming that they can dig their way out of the country’s mess

MilkyToast

Of course, if the bill goes through, it will be the obligation of every good Irish citizen to make sure it's upheld. The output of every politician who voted for it and every member of every NGO that supported it, and every citizen who expressed a desire to live under it, must be monitored and properly reported for anything that seems like it might in some way constitute breaking these laws. Clumsy utterances, drunk tweets, speaking one's mind at a dinner party where a good citizen happens to be, must all come (for those people) with the responsibility of following the law they supported into being and taking the lumps they asked for.

It will be a difficult lot, spending an hour or two a week making sure that every progressive making hateful comments about "straight white men" or "cis" people is reported and held to account, but I for one am prepared to put in the time to making sure they get to live in the society they're asking for.

I'm a martyr that way.

dalyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945613#Comment_121945613

I just signed this and passed it on to friends to do likewise.

Such a sorry state of affairs that a country known for its arts , poetry and literature has come to the point of having to sign a petition to assure us of right to speech. What's next ? Social credit scores ? "Social justice" courts ? Nightmare stuff

CatFromHue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945351#Comment_121945351

Arson is already a crime and the Gardai are investigating, and have arrested people, over those arsons.

Was just looking on Spunout.ie and they have

"What are the laws on hate crimes in Ireland? 

Currently, unlike most other EU countries, Ireland has no effective hate crime laws, apart from the very restricted Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 which narrowly deals with cases of hate speech aimed at inciting (causing) hatred. The Act makes it an offence to create or distribute racist, homophobic or other discriminatory materials. Someone found guilty of breaking this law can face a maximum of two years in prison and a fine of €10,000.

In October 2019, an Garda introduced a working hate crime definition as part of its diversity and integration strategy. The strategy defines a hate crime as: 

• Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to, in whole or in part, be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on actual or perceived age, disability, race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or gender"

What are the laws on hate crimes in Ireland? - spunout

So it looks like there's already legislation for dealing with hate crimes against LGBTQ+ people. A few years ago a guy vandalised The George pub with homophobic graffiti. He was arrested and charged for this. Now it turns out he got off on technicalities.

This new legislation does look like it could turn out to be used as a form of Strategic Lawsuits against Public Participation (SLAPPS) which are where people use the threat of a lawsuit over defamation as a weapon to silence journalists.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945731#Comment_121945731

I will personally call my local Garda station up to 100 times a day reporting on neighbours who don’t express themselves in a politically correct manner - I’m sure the boys and girls in blue will only be delighted

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945801#Comment_121945801

Boys and girls ??? What about those who identify as neither?? Report yourself sir!!!! ;)

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945824#Comment_121945824

Thank you brother for stopping me going the wrong path.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

I shall confess all my actions and await Big Brothers verdict and I will accept any punishment willingly

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945901#Comment_121945901

Good man so!!!

1800_Ladladlad

Varadkar on the opponents of the bill;

“Their agenda is one of hate and they are terrified that if this legislation goes through, they’re going to be held accountable,"....“They’re the ones we should stand up to.”

Says the man who just stepped down while crying on the tele.

Oscar_Madison

Interesting - the state compelling news agencies to hand over photographic and video evidence of the Dublin riots

Asking them yes- compelling them? It places those covering such events in danger of becoming targets themselves in the future- another way the state wants to interfere

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41362375.html

_Kaiser_

This country is going down a very dangerous path - and it has nothing to do with the scaremongering over the "far-right"

Instead we have mainstream parties, politicians, police and courts undermining our democracy at its core.

Frank Bullitt

The only thing hate speech laws do, is cause more hate speech, which in turn then calls for even more restrictions. This, all because some people don't like hearing certain things said.

Always remember, you have the ability to not listen and ignore.

Dick phelan

Hopefully, this will die a death but we need to keep the pressure on to make sure this is dead in the water. But I hope people will not forget every single person who voted for this draconian, anti-democratic nonsense come election time. SF once again showing they have zero principles, if they supported it once they will support it again under some other guise. For people who support this bill, remember laws can be used against you too. Sure you might like it now because it aligns with your views but there's nothing to see those in power can't change and suddenly your views can be the ones being suppressed. We should never give any government the sort of power this bill proposes. Give them an inch and they will eventually take a mile. The grip that NGO types have on this country is disturbing, this is seriously unpopular with the vast majority of the public but our government lives in a bubble and only listens to the NGO far left types.

dalyboy

What’s going to be an absolute sh1tshow is the courts. They’re going to be jam packed with ordinary Irish citizens who dared misspeak and hurt the “feels” of one of societies protected lambs

buried

Nah let these F**king inept idiots bring it in. The establishment regime are so stupidly blind they can't see this bill can/will be used against THEM in the very near future when another political regime takes hold.

Lets see the likes of f**king Sam McConkey state that all Irish men need a "licence" to walk outside in daylight then. Into prison you and your demented noise will go Samuel.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945351#Comment_121945351

Another guy with a chip on his shoulder is Aodhan.

"In 2014, he spoke of his experiences of being bullied in primary school and secondary school, which he attributes to the fact that he was taller than his peers"

Most of these people campaigning for this legislation are people who have a chip on their shoulder and want to get even.

"On 10 November 2016, Ó Ríordáin made a public statement in the Seanad that went viral on social media, in which he labelled President-elect Donald Trump as a "fascist" and a "monster"

Another TDS sufferer, how predictable.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946518#Comment_121946518

Cry harder Leo.

You wont be sneaking in anymore of your lousy unwanted legislation boyo.

tarvis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946522#Comment_121946522

The video evidence from the ‘Let women speak’ demo in Dublin last year is also enlightening. It can be googled. It may surprise some people to see against whom some of our most prominent and best funded women’s organisations were noisily demonstrating on the day.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946732#Comment_121946732

That part of his school experience is oddly fascinating, gives a glimpse into some of the likely motivation.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946674#Comment_121946674

For people who support this bill, remember laws can be used against you too. Sure you might like it now because it aligns with your views but there's nothing to see those in power can't change and suddenly your views can be the ones being suppressed.

What you’re describing there is democracy, and that’s not the only contradiction. Why would anyone who supports the bill because it offers them protection, be concerned about the idea that it could be used against them, when the only people who would do that are people opposed to the legislation in the first place? In those circumstances, it’s far more likely the Courts would see their efforts as nothing more than frivolous and vexatious attempt to suppress views that person or group disagrees with because the opinions being expressed don’t align with their views.

That’s notwithstanding the fact that the bill is nothing more than the implementation of an EU wide initiative intended to tackle hate speech, and particularly the most common forms of hate speech which target specific groups and individuals in society. It’s really not all that different to the legislation it’s intended to replace which has been in law since 1989.

If however, in the unlikely event that Sinn Féin were ever to enter into Government, the nation would have much bigger problems, that Sinn Féin in particular would want to ensure people couldn’t talk about. Fortunately, most people take a very dim view of kneecapping as a means of thugs meting out their own brand of justice.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946789#Comment_121946789

Thats exactly it, these people have an agenda, they arent objective.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946755#Comment_121946755

That our “National Women’s Council” actively shouted down an event supporting women’s rights will continue to concern me.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945351#Comment_121945351

The deputy in question is busy auditioning for a NGO job,his seat is shaky as hell so he's been virtue signalling even more than usual recently

Post Dail planning

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945731#Comment_121945731

I will help you carry this load

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946598#Comment_121946598

100% - can I encourage posters to just quote the above post regularly as the pages progress - nothing more needs to be said

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121945535#Comment_121945535

Read it. Line by line. Then come back and debate it.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121947074#Comment_121947074

We have. You seem to be seeing something else in it.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946732#Comment_121946732

It's a chip on one's shoulder to discuss one's experience of bullying? I'm not a fan of his overall but I'm not seeing anything wrong with his statement. You have a bit of an obsession with people who criticize Trump but that's not very relevant.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121946522#Comment_121946522

There is an obligation for gardai to collect ALL evidence in a criminal investigation, whether it benefits them or not. (DPP V Bradish) If they did not collect all evidence, videos, photos etc then the court would hold that they didn't do the job correctly and cases could be struck out.

Surely identifying and charging everybody involved in criminal damage, thefts, burglaries during that incident deserve to be brought to justice.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121947079#Comment_121947079

No. You clearly have not. You don't understand, which you proved in your post yesterday.