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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    "Volkswagen said it will be able to activate the vehicle-to-home function for ID vehicles already delivered as soon as these vehicles receive the new over-the-air 3.5 software update. Initially, the vehicle-to-home charging system can only be used with the S10 E Compact home power station from HagerEnergy GmbH. In the future, customers will be able to use a smaller bidirectional charging wallbox."

    Yikes, couldn't imagine the cost of that, has a built in battery, in the quote above it said "the vehicle-to-home charging system can only be used with the S10 E Compact home power station from HagerEnergy GmbH"so I take it to mean that there's no sign of the smaller wallbox whether they meant wallbox the EVSE company or call it a wallbox, thing that mounts to the wall lol and it looks like the system might not be compatible with other bidirectional EVSE from other manufacturers.

    The Germans are really lucky to have 3 phase to the home.

    Either way seems such a waste to have a car capable of this and can't use it !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Don't exaggerate with the 3 phase though, it usually is 3 * 25A. Nice for charging your car with 11kW, but not an awful lot more than our 1 * 63A for a standard 12kVA connection. In fact most new houses here now have 16kVA or 80A consumer unit fuse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Don't forget the export limit in single phase is a major obstacle here, the German outlaws have 14 Kw/p exporting to the Grid, they'd have more only they have no more roof space.

    + if I had 3 phase I could export solar to the grid and buy it back to run storage or panel heaters in winter, yes I know HP is more efficient but the house is not suitable for HP, though HP can run off 3 phase also. As it stands now I don't think 80 amps would even be enough for car, house and storage heating. Although I am happy with the wood pellet stove to be honest.

    Yes, 11 Kw charging would be handy at times or you could have 20 Kw DC lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Our 25c FIT is far more generous than net metering, where the best outcome is you still pay full standing charge but you have a zero bill for units (this can not go negative)

    Here you can actually make money on your electricity. A negative total cost of electricity, including standing charge 😀

    And export limit not a problem. You can export 21 hours * 5.5kW = 115kWh per day (which nets you almost €30)

    You would need an enormous setup for that not to be enough...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I am happy with the solar car charging this afternoon. Have put in 10% surplus to my 60kWh battery in about 3 hours. Not bad for a modest 4kWp system on a slightly cloudy day at roughly the equinox..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Between today and yesterday I’ve put 15kWh in the car from solar, which is over 100km or range, and over the 2 days only driven about 20km…

    I will not need to grid charge the car now until at least mid April (and only then if the weather is crap) as I’ve now enough to get us up to Thursday when we go away, so car will be left plugged in for 10 days, so we’ll no doubt come back to it full..

    Last year I went from April 1st - July 5th with 100% of charging coming from solar, so there’s a very good chance I’m now already back in that window of free driving for the next few months…

    Anyone with an EV, off street parking and a roof, and not having solar is mad…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I think @unkel has a solar lawn at this stage...😁

    btw good to see you back Mad_lad

    Post edited by eagerv on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,187 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes sounds like BS. The car decides what amps to take from the charger based on what’s available.

    Of you could “hack” the chargepoint to allow 400a, the car still decides to only take 32a of those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not enough to test the maximum allowed export of 5.5kW (times 21h)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    We have a perfect back garden, with the rear ditch ideal for a lot of panels due south facing. Raised up they would catch the sun almost all year for almost all of the day.

    But unfortunately the missus would prefer to look at unimportant things such as flowering shrubs and other green things..😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I've seen some big solar PV farms in Germany and they really are the most hideous thing ever, turning green fields black.

    I got lots of room for solar too but the main issue is you can't export it to the grid, only what 5 kw ? that's an absolute joke.

    However, at the bottom of my garden I got a pole with 20 Kv but the cost of putting transformer and connecting up would be mad.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    25 amps is the max for the NC6 which technically is 5.75kWish but they don't make inverters that size.

    You can get close to your MIC with an NC7, and I think export limiting is also allowed too. But that costs 1500ish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I had to look that up lol.

    "If your microgeneration system is less than 6kW for single phase electricity or less than 11 kW for three phase, you should use the NC6 form. If your microgeneration system is greater than 6kW for single phase electricity (or 11 kW for three-phase) but not more than 50kW, you should use the NC7 form."

    So you can export more than 6 Kw on single phase, did it say up to 50 Kw or is that for 3 phase ? it didn't make that clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You don't seem to understand that even with just an NC6, you can export over 115kWh per day. The sun don't shine 21h a day, so you obviously need a big battery for that too. Store during the day whatever you produce over 5.5kW and dump it during the less / non productive hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The idea is to get as much solar as I can to buy back in Winter, export during the sunny months, our consumption is around 9 Mwh a year could be more at this stage. On cloudier days the larger array will still produce more. That's my thinking of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The aim is to export as much as possible. That works financially a lot better than self use. Perverted as it is, it's far cheaper to heat your house with 10c gas than with 5c night rate electricity. Because you can export the latter and get paid 25c. Same applies to immersion diversion.

    But yes the more PV you get, the quicker the payback period. And to save you doing the sums, to export 115kWh in one day on the best day of the year, you would need about a 14kwp array (producing 14MWh per year)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yeah 14 Kw/p and much more is do-a-ble, space wise, but the question is cost. If I remember correctly I was quoted around 8 K for 8 Kwh and battery. Question is if I can get herself to cough up to half the cost but she wasn't interested last year but a couple of bills later and I think she's beginning to see the light.

    So I could go with NC7, I wasn't aware that you can go over 6 Kw on single phase, this wasn't the case but obviously changed thankfully or I just wasn't aware about it.

    I wonder are wind turbine installations still insane ? I Remember years ago it would cost 30 K Euro's for just 3 Kw turbine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I had to drive my dear beloved Mother's 2010 1.4 Fiesta torque converter auto today and I found it quite a good experience why I don't know, not fond of torque converter or CVT autos and would rather Dual Clutch or Manual, anyway, having knobs and buttons at hand without looking at a screen was quite nice but I really liked how it drove, I think the fact it's incredibly light compared to the 2 tonne id3 vs around 1.1 tonne fiesta. Perhaps it was the "retro" feel, the analogue clocks, analogue gauges, buttons, knobs or perhaps the weight really dulls the id3 T5 driving experience, don't get me wrong, it's a great refined work horse but it's also incredibly boring ! perhaps why I got a 500 cc Maxi scooter ?

    But for a 14 year old car with 156,000 Kms it drove really well for it's age.

    Just like the Outlander I took off with the handbrake on.......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If I were still a mod I would ban you 😁

    But seriously, you need to go out more, drive more cars, and most importantly, read on here more. Forget about wind. And be very careful how you invest your hard earned money in home renewables. Lots of rip off merchants out there and at the stage we are all at, it only makes financial sense to invest in renewables, if you do it at the right cost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    haha yeah funny how attitudes change, I remember many years ago getting scolded for mentioning electric cars in the regular motors threads long before the EV section by someone with a name similar to yours lol. 🤣

    I didn't think 8 K Euro's for 8 Kw/p inc 5 Kwh battery was a bad price ? probably gone up now of course, can't remember the company ffs, I'll see if I can find their business card.

    So why are you not mod any more ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Question:165. Deputy Cathal Crowe asked the Minister for Transport if he, in consultation with the relevant departments, will examine a financial incentive for drivers to buy a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) in order to meet Ireland's obligation to move away from diesel; and if he will make a statement on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    @unkel is the power grid equivalent of those folks on YouTube who look for exploits in video games to level up as fast as possible 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,930 ✭✭✭Alkers


    The car being home during the day is the big one. I'm still out on charging and EV from battery storage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting article on the current status of V2G (seems very focused on Germany)

    There's also a V2G conference next month, I'm tempted to email it to ESBN and ask if they have anyone going

    One interesting tidbit is they seem to see AC V2G winning again despite DC being able to integrate better with home solar (all you'd need is a DC-DC converter)

    I guess poor Edison never catches a break

    The biggest barrier seems to be grid operators and electricity suppliers (no surprises there). I assume that for Ireland it would mean the inverter (either in the car or not) would need to be qualified in the same way as a PV inverter and an NC6 would be needed for the V2G connection. I imagine a bunch of car manufacturers simply won't bother considering how small our market is

    The emphasis seems to be on making the process as simple as possible for the customer which means some level of integration with the electricity provider

    This could work well with something like the dynamic tariffs that were recently proposed here, however it generally requires the customer to be okay with giving up control of when their car charges and discharges.

    Not sure how many people will go for it, but if the financial incentive is there then it might work

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Big time…

    having an EV, having solar PV and being home based is the absolute trifecta of helping to make the payback period as small as possible..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Trifecta, oooh fancy words of a Sunday morning 😊. With EV plans being so good @ 7c unit rates and FIT being good at the moment I think it makes more sense just to export and charge the car at night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Exactly this. Export all your PV and just heat your water and charge your car at night rate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Rebadged Tesla V4 Superchargers have started appearing in the UK. That is, other networks buying them to deploy under their own brand. EG Group intend to deploy 20,000+ across UK and Europe.





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