Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Simple as this:

FF were in power, then it was FG, then it was FF, then it was FG.

I.E. Power swapped between them. They didn't consciously do it but that is what happened. I think an arrogance was born from that.

You don't agree. Fair enough.

The effective outcome was power swapped between them howsoever they fought. IMO (you are free to disagree) that led to an arrogance which saw two parties that had become almost indistinguishable engaging in a sham fight at elections. I posit the ease with which they coalesced to form a government as proof of that sham.

It is not a lie to say that in making the point I did:

You are seeing collusion where it was not implied. Things happened as they did, and political parties got comfortable/arrogant with it, simple as that.

As I said. You don't agree. That's fine.

Look, you object to a perfectly legitimate descriptive word.

Whatever about fighting elections, what other parties did or didn't do, what way the wind was blowing on election day, effectively power swapped between FF and FG since independence. We know no other parties as leaders in government.

It is basic English. End of discussion now. Your objection is noted.

Off you are off on one again.

More noise from the Sinn Fein propaganda machine.

Yes Ireland had FF and FG in government, we have managed to get to a position that we are one of the best countries in the World to live in. Yes we have issues but so does every country in the World

You think this is a horrible thing, to have people that can get a great education, can get a job, buy a home for the majority, get healthcare etc. Yes we can make improvements in all of these elements but we have those available.

It is not the job of FF or FG to get Sinn Fein into government, that is up to them. They ran an incorrect campaign, had no idea it would be a revolt vote and ended up in a position that they could have got into government. They disappeared then till all of the rest of the parties got bored waiting and created a government. Then Sinn Fein came out crying "it wasn't fair"

You can spin it whatever way you like, of course we got then promised "the best effective opposition" and that likes most things with Sinn Fein has crashed and burned, let us all not forget an alternative budget they couldn't event get right and had to pull it because of mistakes. Never mind the insurance bill by Pearse which would have been a disaster for every person in Ireland paying insurance.

End of discussion is right, but I do expect the 100 posts of the same stuff you have misrepresented 100 times before.

Yes it’s an excuse along with the hundred other you have

I made my point, why would do you need to ask a follow on?

In terms of your prediction, you have no idea on the discussion in any party apart from Sinn Fein, you spent all day here waffling about power swap as if that’s a bad thing when Ireland is an excellent country.

It’s the same noise repeated across all media by seemingly people who just spin out what they are told to say.

Go on tell us about power swap again 🤦‍♂️😂

Or FF and FG are the same party 🤦‍♂️😂

Swap implies a quid pro quo, a planned exchange. Not definitively the case when parties alertnately won elections. "They swapped" versus "was swapped" are also different in implication.

Anyway, who's available to carry the cónra? Ferris, Quinlivan, Adams and Carthy for the first lift. It would only be right.

Not 'fooled'.

I'm a realist, I understood even when voting for them that FG and FF were not perfect, that I didn't subscribe to all of their policy. No different when I decided to vote for SF. I don't defend them on every single issue that comes up around them or all of their policy, for instance.

You may be confused, Enda certainly did 'fool' me with his New Politics nonsense. I left the FG cult, (around 20% are still being fooled) behind after 2016 when I realised he nor FG was ever going to deliver on those promises.

Despite the denials, he is on record as claiming to have been fooled for decades by the two main parties. That was the language used, and yes, that was right up until the 2020 election when he started voting for Sinn Fein for the first time. I will leave it there, it is all on record.

Here is an exchange between us in 2022 when you tried this on as well.

Blanch: Wait a minute, you have confessed to being fooled for 50 years. I haven't convicted based just on an allegation - it is your self-confessed position that politicians are clever enough to fool you for 50 years.

I see nothing that would convince me that you aren't still being fooled.

FrancieBrady: Where did I confess to being fooled for 50 years? I'm pretty sure I said the watershed moment for me was Enda's bullshit about new politics.

I got fooled again in 2016 but that was the end of it.

People still in captivity shouldn't be throwing stones.

I never said I was fooled for 50 years but freely admit to being fooled by Enda, as we all, including you, were.

When you’re explaining……..

I'm curious, have you ever received any bans on this site?

Interesting another of the new accounts on boards started a thread about creating a new political party.

The entire post was about how great Sinn Fein was but poor Sinn Fein the only reason people are not voting for them is because of their history.

Needless to say the thread is crashing and burning, as Sinn Fein policies are pulled to pieces

Unfortunately for Sinn Fein as people get closer to an election it would seem they are reading the parties policies and strangely enough the incompetent ones from Sinn Fein are falling to pieces.

Nobody has yet to say they are not voting for them because of the "fear" and other waffle we get fired out on these threads.

So to answer the original thread title "Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma"? well looks like they won't need to 😂

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Attack the poster as usual Francie, it will never change will it?

No I didn't, but then again you know that and off down the same rabbit hole

The interesting part of the thread which as I posted is clear from the posters on the thread the policies of Sinn Fein have been found out.

Instead of responding about that you try to attack me. As I said, it will never change.

P.S I have no interest in 100 responses trying to bait me into saying something so you can run to the mods. As usual you attack the poster instead of the topic