Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121888911#Comment_121888911

i couldnt care less how has multiple accounts- im pretty sure there still are a few around who have more than one account and they wouldnt be ont he shinner side.

Stipr out the waffle from you post and what have we? Hmmm. ... not much left when the whataboutery is taken out. Lets see ... "sinn fien are well know in government ...Northern Ireland" - well, I did say you get there eventually. A few posts ago BlueSkyDream hadnt mentioned northern ireland and SF and then you bounce along and come up with exactly what I was saying people without much an idea of different stormont and the dial are, keep coming out with. Perfect timing to prove my point!

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121888747#Comment_121888747

people were voting No because of fears of 'them foreigners' bringing over families - all down to the terrible wording the government wouldnt change. How the hell are you blaming that on SF? In saying that, nearly every shinner I know voted no because the vagueness. I dont think SF should have backed a Yes vote at all, but their hearts were in it. I know people who couldn't inherit anything from their partner as they werent married (the family had first priority) - issues like that would have been fixed with a Yes vote - but the wishy washy wording that was used, how'd anyone expect that to pass? Big failure on the governments part (again).

Pretty desperate though to be thinking its any skin of SF's nose. Have you found me Mary Lou saying the actual words that SF will re-run the referendum again, as is with no changes? Its just gossip in here by the looks of it. I remember the politics forum had a bit of teeth as you used to have to back up you claims. Nowadays a headline off the Indo seems good enough. Very boring.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121888055#Comment_121888055

try reading the article. what she said was SF would return the wording to the CA. That in itself is the opposite of rerunning the referendum. The government ignored the CA's suggestion of wording. what people were asked to change was wrong, and needs to be looked at and the correct wording found, as there are issues affecting carers and families that needs addressing. she did say her ambition would be to re-run it with new wording. two things there - one is 'her ambition' - which isnt a SF decision. secondly, if it was re-ran, it would be with different wording, so it certainly would not be presenting the same choice again to the public.

Its really childish carryon to be honest. its obvious to see what the woman was saying, but again - lets bring in some drama, a bit of misrepresentation and sure enough theres enough around to believe it.

As a filthy left winger who would hold my nose and vote Sinn Féin, Sinn Féin stand for nothing.

Sadly, a vote for Sinn Féin is little more than an anti-Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil for me.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121907774#Comment_121907774

And SF cant form a govt without FF anyway, so, you would still be advocating a FF govt.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121907752#Comment_121907752

What aspects of SFs alternative budget do you think are workable and costed correctly?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908238#Comment_121908238

Nonsense.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121907757#Comment_121907757

BlueSkyDream was responding to you, not me

Sinn Fein are well known for incompetence in Northern Ireland, just because Sinn Fein supporters know how terrible they are in Northern Ireland and want everyone to discount that doesn't really work.

Also in regards to their alternative budget, well it had to be pulled because they made mistakes in it. Incompetence.

Are we going back to posting about fear?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908260#Comment_121908260

Sinn Fein are well known for incompetence in Northern Ireland,

Can you itemise this claim?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908248#Comment_121908248

It is not...

How would SF form a govt without FF?

Larbre34

As it stands, and as its unlikely to change very much at this stage, SF simply cannot form a government without either FF or FG. It is impossible.

And so that makes an FG/FF led government, with different partners, the most likely outcome for the next 5 years.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908294#Comment_121908294

If like last time SF finish as largest/most popular party and form a coalition it will be a 'SF led' government.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908322#Comment_121908322

What?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908429#Comment_121908429

What bit don't you understand?

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121908322#Comment_121908322

Who are they going to form it with?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121909053#Comment_121909053

Whosoever is willing to negotiate a programme for government.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121909206#Comment_121909206

The parties of the left May be willing to negotiate ,but without FF it will come to nothing. FF will do practically anything to stay in government but if they do it will be the end of the party.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121909053#Comment_121909053

They'll make themselves available to everyone

Including Fine Gael

2020 wasn't expected, they probably didn't believe the polls even

Change of tack this time vs 2020 will be to tempt FF first and FG if as likely a socialist collab isn't in the numbers

I'd expect that to be a hiding to nothing if the current government return with a majority obviously which is very possible now

blanch152

Nearly 4,000 posts in and we have got as far as Sinn Fein will form a government with whoever is willing to negotiate a programme for government.

That tells us precisely zero about how Sinn Fein will form a government.

We have nothing on any party being willing to talk with them, we have nothing on Sinn Fein's policies and which ones are not up for negotiation.

Clearly, the emperor has no clothes, and like 2020, there is nothing from anywhere that says Sinn Fein are capable of forming a government. It seems to me that if Sinn Fein even had an overall majority, they would be looking at ways to go into opposition!!!!!

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912953#Comment_121912953

What we have seen is the Online Supporters are back out in force again, hoping to drive more people away from Sinn fein.

Back to wild accusations about the government etc.

Going to be a couple of fun months ahead, batten down the hatchs

Bobson Dugnutt

They’ve a chap from South Dublin who is running for them in the next local elections. They’d want to have a word with him. He’s a bit of a loose cannon on twitter.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912953#Comment_121912953

There won't be any negotiations with the two parties who have swapped power between them if they continue their exclusionary practices.

Government formation is not hard in normal democracies that don't exclude the wishes of a significant number of voters.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913583#Comment_121913583

The excuses are long and winding with Sinn Fein, it's always someone elses fault isn't it

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913600#Comment_121913600

Not an excuse. It is the actual reality.

Are you now saying that FF and FG did offer themselves for negotiation?

They didn't, that route to government was closed to 24% of the electorate because the two parties between whom power had swapped since the foundation of the state put their sham differences aside and coalesced together and refused to negotiate.

Personally I think that was a solo run or a run by a few members of FF. I suspect a good number of the party struggling around 17% in the polls regret that and we will see a shift.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913633#Comment_121913633

Why do you persist in saying they swapped power

They didn't

That's a Sinn Féin online illusion and everytme you use it now after use of it has been rigidly debunked by historians and journalists alike vs your pretence that voters had a choice,they didn't in part as other parties including Sinn Féin were busy making themselves unelectable

Both parties electorates probably weren't in favour of doing business with Sinn Féin in 2020

They broke one taboo by going into government together,let's see if they break the other after the next election

One things for sure, the next election will deliver a verdict on this government and on current polling I'd expect it to be returned, yay for democracy and what the people want I suppose? If it happens it would be heartbreak and disaster for your party of choice but it would be the people's choice

Bobson Dugnutt

Sinn Fein spun up a narrative on social media from around 2009 onwards that Ireland was a kip, a hellhole, ruled by a shadowy elite, not listening to the working man and woman. It was constant, it was often abusive (by its supporters) and it coarsened political discourse.

Now a lot of them have gone rogue and are turning their back on SF. Lot of anger there towards immigrants, politicians, societal change etc.

They’ve a problem on their hands.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913991#Comment_121913991

 the two parties between whom power had swapped

Power swapped between FF and FG since independence.

You say 'yay for democracy and what the people want', they clearly wanted SF to be in government as much as they wanted either FF or FG. Two parties decided that SF wouldn't be in government on behalf of the people. Both of those parties have not improved their polling as a result.

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914031#Comment_121914031

No it did not,it was fought for between them

Completely different

Stop being so disingenuous

You drop your untrue proposition everytme its debunked and then reappear it a few 100 pages later in the pretence it was never debunked

Extremely disingenuous

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914038#Comment_121914038

You debunk away. I will continue to use a perfectly valid description of what happened here.

Working class heroes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914068#Comment_121914068

And you will continue to be wrong.