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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    I have a few IOT devices around the house that I dont trust, including my home charger. As a result, I operate them on my Guest wifi network so it is separate from home network. Its not a fool-proof security measure as my network could still be compromised by someone with decent hacking capabilities, but it does help minimise the low-level threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Dunnes doing a special offer on aluminium foil this week as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Ioniq 38.

    But you're right to doubt me! I went through my messages to my wife and the usage the week I was doing 90% motorway (at 120) was 16.8.

    I'm very confident our average consumption will be less than 16 though as 3 weeks out of 4 we just use it for the local school runs and it's usually in the 11-14 kind of range for that. My wife even sent a photo at the school one day of less than 10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    One thing I'd like to clear up is the idea that anyone can connect to a device that has a mobile data connection. This isn't really true, those devices typically have a special connection to the network operator which basically allows them to lock down their connectivity

    "typically" is the appropriate word there.

    The Leaf had a glaring hole in its security where anyone could communicate with any Leaf (turn on heating etc) anywhere in the world by simply knowing the VIN of the car, which is displayed on the windscreen so easily scraped.

    They plugged the gap once it became known, but companies quite often dont take security seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @witnessmenow - "I think the day rate is extortionate (is it 40c or something?), so it's probably for solar users only"

    Yeah around 40c. Not relevant to me, I only ever buy at 5c. And no, you don't need solar to only use 5c electricity, but you do need a home battery that is large enough to charge up at night what you are going to use during the day. You do need an officially ESB registered solar installation, to avail of the extremely generous feed in tariff though (getting paid for export)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Now is around the time when I'm gradually reducing the rate at which my battery charges at as I might only need it to be at ~40% by 8am when my day rate period starts to have just enough in it to get me to a time when the panels start generating enough to cover the house load and also start charging the battery, but as its going to be my first solar summer with a smart (day/night) meter (so metered export) and given my export rate is €0.21/kWh, and my night rate is €0.17/kWh, I'm thinking from an economical point of view I should still be charging my home battery to 100% every night, and doing all my car charging, and clothes/dish washing during the night rate as well thus maximising the amount I export the following day because for every kWh I continue to use the previous night, is a kWh I will export and earn ~€0.04 on the next day... but from an environmental point of view I'm thinking I should screw that 4c saving and try to use as little from the grid as possible!!


    As I type this my Eddi just kicked in beside me here, so the battery is now full (from 42% at 8am), 2 clothes washes and 3 dishwasher cycles have been run, so I've just ran down and plugged in the car and it's now charging at 2.3kW, which will give me roughly 4.6% an hour.. or 15km/h of range.. and I should get at least 10%-15% in it today.

    I like saving money but I also like driving around on the sun and using it to wash and cook things.... total mileage today will only be 5.2km, so I end the day with more range than I started the day with.. and I like that. but I also like saving money!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I use the car for that only the EVSE to allow bi directional charging currently stands at around 7 or 8,000 Euros of course, I think there is only one that I know of. It would be fantastic to use the id3 for this as it's already enabled.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,825 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Yes, you should soak all night rate to bring battery to max along with dishwasher/EV etc and then export to the max of your NC6, does not make sense anymore to consume PV into battery unless excess above NC6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Absolutely and anyone who doesn't have all their Iot devices on Guest is mad !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭browne_rob5


    Yes use the night rate. Somebody else is using what you are generating and its better overall for the environment as you are balancing out pressure on the grid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I got 16 Kwh/100 Kms average total trip from Carlow to the work site here in Blanch doing speed limits and more on N7 some 130 stints on M9.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    In your case with 17c import and 21c export, the 20% or so round trip losses of storing night rate in your battery and then exporting to the grid during the day, kill any profit that you may have. Plus put unnecessary cycles on the battery and use on the inverter.

    In my case with 5c import and 25c export, it's a different story!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Too much effort, I'd rather pay for diesel !🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    My electricity company pays for all the fuel for all my 3 EVs. For all my hot water, for some home heating, for all my home electricity and then they give me a couple grand in cash on top. But you rather pay for your own? 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm still charging the home battery to 100% for now, but we'll see how the next month goes

    It's a pain to climb up to the attic and we've enough rubbish days still that I'd like to have the battery topped up

    Car has been charging from solar all day, has 10kWh already. I'll probably cancel the grid charging on the Zappi tonight as the forecast is looking good for the weekend

    The way I'm looking at it is that worst case I'm getting very cheap electricity, and with the smart meter there isn't the same pressure to use everything you generate. At least if I end up exporting a lot one day then I'll be paid for it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    plugs car in, car charges.

    /fin


    I actually had to put diesel in my BMW about 2 weeks ago (first time in about 5 months), and it was horrible... took me ages to wash the smell of diesel off my hand!!! and a bit of a shock too when totting up the weekly finances to see a €50 debit from a petrol station!! would hate to see that every week!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Whats the biggest impediment to V2G adoption at the moment? Is it that we dont have the regulatory framework inplace yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It's a pain to climb up to the attic

    This. even though my attic is converted, I still had to climb into a press thats full of **** (theres a fcking boat up there!!) to change the inverter settings, but since getting Solis to give me remote access to these settings via the app it's been game changing... I can adjust it in seconds via the app, so if I know the next day will be a sh1tty day, I can set the battery to fully charge..


    3kWh/6% already in the car...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nope, no legal framework required. I was using a rudimentary home made V2G system 2 years ago. Obviously you only get paid for export if you are registered with the ESB with at least an NC6 setup

    The biggest impedements for mass adoption are:

    1. most EVs do not have bi-directional AC charging
    2. most home charge points do not have bi-directional AC charging (and you obviously need both 1. and 2.)
    3. there is no agreed bi-directional protocol yet for fast DC CCS charging
    4. there is an agreed bi-directional protocol for fast DC CHAdeMO charging and the hardware is readily available, but costs several grand (excluding install - and you will not find anyone to officially install this for you). And of course you would need to own a Nissan Leaf or the likes for this 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    How many months left on the 5 and 25 rate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Did you add to your array since I was last here ? what have you got in total ?

    I wanted to install 9 Kw/p for around 8K last year but the boss said no, of course if I want to pay for it all I can go ahead lol, we split the bills as it is so in reality it's not costing a lot. I get free work charging, granted these days I don't have to be on site every day or for a full day but I get at least one trip or more for free.

    Night time tariff is 22 c/Kwh, I know that's a lot more than the 7 c I was paying when I had the leaf and i3 and I know there are cheaper tariffs but I'm waiting for further reductions.

    You'd think that anyone on a smart plan can get cheaper energy when the wind blows regardless of time ? why should they benefit with free energy and we not ? they're making a killing since the cost of gas went up so much and they get Taxpayer subsidies.

    Anyway, if I needed a full charge 73 Kwh @22 C/Kwh it would cost 16 Euros and average efficiency is 18 Kwh/100 Km since I got it so average trip would get 330 Kms and that's not driving slow.

    Lets compare to a diesel that gets 5.5 L/100 Kms = 18.18 Km per litre needing 18.13 Litres for 330 kms costing 32 Euros so yes the gap is a lot narrower now between electric and diesel compared to a few years ago and we all knew this was going to happen, but it signifyingly reduces the cost savings of EV over Diesel considering the cost of a new EV.

    I have good roof space for south and west so the lad that came out said house is ideal, but the network needs to allow more solar on the grid, one of the neighbors has solar PV and I'm on the same transformer and I heard that it can be problematic connecting another house to the same transformer for feed to the grid, I don't know it never came up because they didn't have solar at the time the lad came out to see the house and give a quote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    This is where the Government should intervene because the only thing they are good at is increasing taxes not actually doing anything good.

    Sure, most EV's currently don't support V2G but those that do should be treated like any other exporter, a big issue of course is the EVSE, Normal EVSE are cheap because they only send AC, V2G needs to convert the DC back to AC and this is not cheap and there's not many making these which is why they are so expensive but the tech is there.

    Smart meters could be set automatically to give those with EV batteries cheap electricity when there is wind on the grid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I wanted to install 9 Kw/p for around 8K last year but the boss said no

    Since getting the solar installed (Oct 21), I've pretty much done about 99.98% of all clothes washes, and dishwashing in the house, because since getting solar I've managed the absolute féck out of it all to ensure maximum usage, minimal export/waste...(knowing when & when not to use certain appliances etc..) so if you were willing to do a bit of domestic graft, it could be a major selling point...

    Between what I've generated (and used) and earned in deemed export last year, my system (€8,800) is already 50% paid off after only 2yrs, 5 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    No, I wouldn't be into all that messing about, I can see the benefit though.

    How many Kw/p have you out of interest ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's a 2 year contract, mine started last September, so it ends September 2025. Not that contracts mean anything. If you can get a better deal somewhere else, just jump and pay the €50 fine. Last time I did that, it paid for itself in a week.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    There was a public consultation on IS10101 (electrical rules) and I believe the the whole V2G/V2H was mentioned it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Interesting none the less.

    Id be more thinking from the point of loading all EV Chargers at the same time that they’ve managed to hack causing fuses to pop further back the line which could cause outages in larger areas.

    This could be all BS of course.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    AC charge points don't control the charging current sent to the car. The EVSE is effectively a smart relay that connects the AC charger on the car to an electrical supply.

    The charge point advertises an amount of current that is available to the car by changing the resistance on signalling line. I suppose there's a possibility that a "smart" charge point that's software limited to a lower current than the circuit its installed on could be tricked into signalling that a higher current is available causing the car to draw more current than is available. However, in that case the over currant protection in the consumer unit would trip and cause the breaker to flip.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    This is interesting, I wonder will it have a lower than around 7,000 Euro price tag compared to the last V2G EVSE I saw ? can't remember the make and model of that.

    https://wallbox.com/en_ie/quasar-2-bidirectional-ev-charger



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