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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    not far from cahir. plenty of charging options along the m8 and m7 including the tesla suc at ballacolla which is why the m3 is tempting.

    the m9 is also an option albeit a 15 min longer journey, no tesla suc though.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Deffo an option but one to consider for the OP is that it will do the same range as the Model 3 but use more battery. The M3 will be more efficient in doing the miles so recalculate for that.

    Model 3 RWD should average 15-16 kWh/100km on that trip. Maybe less.

    Maybe someone can confirm the ID4 figure for a similar trip?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,634 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What mileage do you do? With a 7.4kW charge point, you get about 20kWh into the car after losses if you have a 3 hour cheap night rate slot. If the car averages say 16kWh / 100km, that means an annual mileage of over 45k km. Do you do a lot more than that?

    And remember, the 5c rate and €100 bonus allow for a lot of high day rate use, before you break even compared with a much higher all day rate of say 20c or 20c

    Of course it helps if you not only have an EV, but also a battery that you can charge up at night. And it would further help if you run appliances at night, heat water, run storage heater / heat pump, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    ID.4 could get anything from 17-22kWh/100km on a long trip depending on weather. ID.3 will do a bit better

    Saw over 25kWh/100km in mine once when driving at motorway speeds against a gale with 2C outside temp and the heating on toasty settings. That was a bit painful to watch I'll admit

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    50-55k per year. because of this WFH craic the majority of the mileage will be across sporadic days e.g. monday, wednesday and thursday meaning the car won't do a lot of mileage the other days, perhaps at most a cumulative 200km per week on top. i'd love to get a battery but a new kitchen is getting priority over my toys for the time being lol.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Great question for pondering. Really keen to hear other opinions.

    I'd have no concerns about the battery as there is enough evidence to show that Tesla M3 batteries lasting well beyond 300K+ km.

    After 120,000km and 3.5 years, most serious issues Ive had is having a bent front track rod replaced (under warranty) and ball joints replaced. 2/3 of my driving would be M and N roads. But I dont think Tesla's steering/suspension system is robust enough for the harshness of Irish R roads. These issues are well publicised and 'apparently' Tesla have addressed the issue with the latest revision of the ball joint - time will tell.

    But it makes sense with any car budget for some repairs in order to reach the 200,000km mark. Coming from a Toyota I never had these issues with high milers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,390 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Maths checks out, you're so close to not having to stop for a charge, I'd probably look at options that would help that.


    4 hours driving a day is tough, you don't wanna have to wait around for a charger aswel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    FB_IMG_1710441261982.jpg

    In NI, CCS, not my pic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Reminded me of this

    Biggest single order yet and includes 105 heavy trucks and 60 medium ones

    This is on top of 100 electric trucks ordered by XPO in 2022

    Things are picking up steam (or voltage) in electric freight

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Also, some more electric truck news

    The proposal is to allow an extra 4 tonnes for electric and hydrogen trucks

    I guess an extra 4 tonnes of batteries is always good, but I'm also wondering if it's needed as the current generation of electric trucks don't seem to be having any issues with weight limits

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Okay, last one for today 😁

    20 megawatt chargers, 10x 400kW chargers and 125x 100kW chargers

    I'd say there'll still be a queue 😭

    I did say a few years ago that when truck charging becomes a thing it'll build up a lot faster than car charging. Truck drivers won't be happy to sit around and wait for the 1 HPC to become available and motorway services will jump on the bandwagon to ensure they have a solid customer base

    I hope they upgrade some of the facilities as well, I've heard some of the horror stories from truck drivers about the quality of rest stops

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,634 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Let's do some maths on that 4 tonnes. I have some 10 year old Tesla slabs here, 5.3kWh and 26kg or thereabouts each. So 4 tonnes of those would give an extra more than 800kWh compared to what they could normally put in, taking away the engine, fuel tanks etc. of a diesel truck, probably the guts of 2 tonnes, so 400kWh, giving a total of 1.2MWh

    That should give a very decent range, the Tesla Semi does 450 miles, or about 725km with a 900kWh or so pack in a hilly drive at the US speed of 60-70mph (vs European speed of no more than 90km/h)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    An post is already using a few medium trucks for Dublin - Athlone nightly trips and they have their own private CCS chargers at sorting offices. The route is very fixed and defined, the same each day so it makes.

    I believe some trucks have 2 X CCS ports that are both used at the same time to double the charging rate. The batteries can be really massive and take max power from CCS chargers for hours. On CCS there are fixed amp limits on the connectors and given it's standardisation 2 X CCS makes some sense. I can imagine that set up would require specialised layout if chargers. I have seen some complaints about Dublin bus using public chargers while they were being delivered. In many cases the layout of the charger and short cables would prevent even one CCS cable being plugged in. They really need to standardise the drive through petrol pump type layout, especially at motorway services. Even Ionity has not done that in Ireland. It's very short sighted. If space is a problem then put multiple chargers overlapping but at least when quiet a truck could block the second space. With the normal Ionity layout one truck could end up blocking all chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think the planning application for the SSE hub in Ballycoolin has several truck chargers. Could be a smart move for the future considering all the businesses in the area

    I imagine the majority of companies will try to have on-site charging, I imagine it'll work out cheaper in the long run, plus you minimise downtime if you can be loading the truck while it charges

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    Hi. I have a type 2 granny charger.

    I also have a type 2 to type 1 EV adapter.

    can I use this setup to charge my type 1 leaf? (Not a long term solution)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭crl84


    SSE hub in Mullingar has a few spots for trucks too (albeit ground markings make them look more like car spots).

    For cross-country truck trips, it might make sense in a location like Mullingar to charge for a little while, as part of the enforced driver rest periods.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    They kind of look like they're designed for smaller rigid trucks rather than HGVs

    Might suit local delivery companies that don't want to splash out on their own charging equipment yet. Or sole traders who don't have a warehouse but can't really install a 50kW charger at home

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    As the official app isn't available in the Republic, do any of the other apps work to activate charges on BP Pulse chargers in NI/UK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭crl84


    Not sure about apps, but you can activate chargers on the BP website, or use Google Wallet/Apple Pay to get around the 50gbp tap limit that Irish cards can't do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Great for anyone towing with an EV - can charge without having to unhitch.

    And nice to see some shelters over the chargers. As a frequent user of public charging, Im so over getting wet these last couple of months when I stop to charge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In theory yes if it works. The usual granny charging guidance is to slow charging rate moreif you can, check house end plug does not get warm, avoid extension leads or fully unreel them, ideally fit a brand new 3 pin socket on the house side and avoid old heavily used sockets that may be well worn. When stopping a charge unplug car end first. Try not to unplug house end instead leave it plugged in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,723 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Interesting, why is it recommended to unplug from the car first, sparking ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,634 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A type 2 (or type 1) cable locks at both ends, there is no way you can disconnect it while charging. But you can simply not lock the 3 pin plug of a granny cable, so you can pull it out while charging, which is not a great idea, but not likely to cause damage either. Better to unlock / unplug at the car end first as @zg3409 said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's amazing the lengths people without a driveway have to go to charge at home

    Spotted one enterprising soul who has some raised trunking across the footpath which enabled them to hang an extension lead from a tree on the footpath and plug in a granny charger

    I'm not going to say where it was because I don't want to cause trouble for anyone

    If only we had planning laws that weren't insane and allowed people to install a charging post. You could mount it on a small pedestal sticking into the parking space so it doesn't take away from the footpath space

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,634 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You can do that as long as you own the car parking space. And you need planning permission for it. Several regulars on this forum, including our very own moderator, have done so over the years.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    In addition to the lock(say the connector was damaged and wasn't able to lock)

    One of the pins are shorter than the rest, (the CP one) and is first to disconnect and that will trigger the contactor in the charge point to open and stop the current.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Saw this recently. Apparently a Dutch product

    Untitled Image


    The arm folds back into the post when not in use. I imagine it costs a bit though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Without giving too much away, I'm pretty sure this wasn't an assigned space

    It was a narrow road with narrow footpaths either side, no marked spaces at all. Cars were just parked wherever the owner could get close to their houses

    I suspect that even if planning laws allowed on street chargers, this road would be disqualified anyway due to the lack of marked spaces

    Personally I don't mind, you gotta do what you gotta do and the owner was doing what they could to avoid obstructing the footpath

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah I remember that one, it's a nice idea although I'm sure someone will manage to strangle themselves on it and try to claim compensation

    We definitely never miss an opportunity for a lawsuit in this country 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,634 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's why in the likes of the Netherlands there are several public slow charge points in many residential streets in areas where there is no private parking. Seems to work well. But these days many new EVs only need charging once a week or so - not hugely different from combustion cars. And then people can just use a public fast charger. Again, in the Netherlands, the likes of Tesla fast chargers cost only a few cent more per unit than the typical residential electricity rate



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