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Another ridiculous suspended sentence handed out

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Judge Martin Nolan at his finest yet again. Disgraceful judgement yet again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,764 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Martin Nolan strikes again.

    The same guy that gives suspended sentences to people caught with massive amounts of child pornography. 😵‍💫

    The 7,500 compensation won’t be much comfort to the poor pensioner. I’d say a significant proportion of that will go towards getting replacement dentures and associated treatments as a result of getting a tooth knocked out of him and his dentures smashed… about 2,000 - 2,500 going by my own dentists price list… if his gum was damaged he might need more treatments to buildup and repair his gum and that is not inexpensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Yep. Martin Nolan. What more is there to say?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Well anyone renting a Hertz car will have to be very, very careful disputing any scratches.

    Will they be rewriting the rental agreement I wonder? Scratches found that cannot be covered by a 1 cent coin will result in a hospital stay :-)

    Disputes in fuel levels are an invite to "sleep with the fishes".


    Whatever the sentence, he seems the wrong type to put in customer service. Some customers are totally loopy and having two crackpots facing off is not a good scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    I actually think this sentence is reasonable enough. The guy pleaded guilty and it was his first offence - yes it was a scummy attack but it seems fair to conclude he is unlikely to offend again. Nolan can be criticised for plenty but this one is not one of them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I’m surprised that this doesn’t happen more frequently considering the behaviour some customer service and retail workers have to put up with. It must be extremely frustrating to see customers getting away with blatant abuse as described in the article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    for once i think that was a reasonable sentence...maybe 5 or 6 months community service as well...still a very scummy thing to do allright....,makes a change from reading about anto mcscobie with 376 previous after being on a spree getting a 2 day suspended and told to be a good lad...


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo,kevo…im still waiting on my free rte branded flip-flops and macaroons…



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Mod - Moved to CA.

    Local charter now applies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    what benefit would there be to jailing him? He has a good work history and no previous.

    clear provocation too - pensionser was no innocent either - being old doesn't absolve you of being a cnut.

    yes he was out of order for sure but given the evidence it was a once-off and with provocation.

    if anything the sentence was too harsh - probation act would be been more appropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    This is a good example of when suspended sentences should be used. A person of previous good behaviour does something in the heat of the moment when facing an element of provocation that they then deeply regret.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Weird one as the perp wasn't the usual unemployed skanger with tens of convictions. So for once I'll accept Nolan's judgement on this.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    Does nobody read the article?

    They argued at the shop, and in the end, they shook hands with the matter resolved and went on their way.

    Later the shop worker saw the man outside the shop and attacked him leaving the old man bleeding on the floor.

    Sorry, but that's nasty and deserves jail time, or are we now saying you can attack people and get away with it?


    From the article

    Gda Burke told Simon Matthews BL, prosecuting, that the pensioner was subsequently on his way to the post office when Kirby came up and punched him to the ground, before kicking him to the head and face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    casual use of the word "vunerable" i see.

    can agree - fellas get probabation act for a lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Nice that some posters express such empathy for the perpetrator, but what about the victim?

    Tough luck for that loser huh?



  • Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The victim was abusive and provoked the situation. There should be no jail time for retaliation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭CrazyEric


    It wasn't "heat of the moment". They argued and then shook hands, Boots is about 200 yards away from the shopping centre where Holland and Barrett is so he either followed him or saw him later.

    Living in a hostel and trying to hold down a job cannot be easy and I do think if he went to prison he would become another Anto McScobie, so a suspended sentence is probably about right but as someone previously said a community service order on top would have also been appropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    being 'abusive' means its ok to kick someone's teeth in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,409 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You reckon he deserved a good beating for allegedly being an obnoxious customer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,409 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Huh? He had more than enough time to calm down, reflect and not intentionally follow an old man to beat him up. It’s this awful type excusing attitude that is the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    It's perhaps the lack of sufficient punishment that gives the idea to thugs that they can get away with doing such a thing.

    I wonder if the family of this OAP would receive a suspended sentence if they went out looking for revenge.



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  • Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No it isn't but if you instigate a row then you have to accept some responsibility for what happens.

    This guy has got a conviction, a sentence (albeit suspended) and has had to pay compensation.

    The person who started the row gets off scot-free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,409 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Person who “started” row got beaten up. He didn’t get off “Scott free.” FFS

    and it’s the attacker and defence promoting the provocation angle. Nothing in the article is “certain” about provocation. Claims..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    Next time you are in Tesco and are arguing about your dented tin of beans and looking for a refund, do you believe you would be partly responsible for that employee violently attacking you outside the store after you get your refund?



  • Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He got no punishment from the courts - that's what I mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    Newsflash, you don't get punished for arguing consumer rights or wrong change in a shop!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,409 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What punishment should he have gotten? He “allegedly” had some combative words with a retail employee. He then got a hiding from the employee. The employee behaved like a scumbag. Had time to think, reflect…and chose to beat up an old man. And we have folks excusing it. World is fooked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    As for the victim, Dldon't go into shops and call the shop assistants **** and junkies would be my advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭redunited


    I find it Ironic that someone with a Palestinian flag as their Avatar thinks revenge attacks are ok!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    If the victim was a random OAP who had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the shop and was completely innocent I'd have a completely different point of view.


    I'll never justify attacking completely innocent people just because a person is angry. Hence the reason I have huge sympathy for the Palestinian people and what the Israelis are doing is disgusting.



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