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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I did answer the question asked, concisely and directly. As I've said, home grounds would have to be determined after the split depending on how many divisional sides there are, what areas they cover etc. They can share grounds if necessary such as Parnell Park or Croke Park as their home ground if necessary (This means some of Dublin's unfair advantages will continue to persist in the divisional sides but we'd still be in a far better situation than the status quo). If teams are playing on the same day they can play in a staggered way, like the quarter-finals used to be done. Or scheduling could just account for these clashes and schedule accordingly. It's a very minor issue, you're exaggerating the risk from it because you don't want Dublin to be split despite the very real benefits that have been explained would result if they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Dublin wont be split , your wasting your time lol.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    They may have to continue in Croke Park. As I said, a split doesn't completely solve every issue, just makes most of them much, much better, for all counties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    A split makes nothing better , except helping a handful of Counties . it will do diddly squat for the weaker Counties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    So you expect south Dublin to build an identity while playing their games in north Dublin? That’s the main reason the idea of a split is dead before it ever even exists.


    the only chance a split could work is the GAA build a 40000 stadium in the south side and that ain’t going to happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You've refused to name anywhere that isn't already a stadium on the Northside of Dublin. Twice now.

    I know in your bitter, hate-filled, partisan worldview that you have different definitions to everybody else, but that in no way qualifies as answering the question, never mind comprehensively. We're all aware you think this counts, but it doesn't.

    In your hypothetical proposal, Dublin are split into 4. Hypothetically, All 4 teams are playing on a Sunday, at the same time. Which 4 grounds are used, please? If you're not going to bother answering the question properly, by naming 4 different stadia around the county, then don't bother your arse replying at all. If you don't reply properly, bear in mind that you are displaying to everybody that not even YOU believe the crap you are spouting.

    You're the one who says this HAS to happen, remember? This is one of THE most basic questions that has to be addressed and your refusal to do so up to this point highlights exactly how much you have been blinded by your hatred and bitterness that you haven't done even the most basic of research. Even in your dream world that you've conjured out of thin air, you can't properly answer question number 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Absolutely. Where they play their home games will be of minor consequence to most of their supporters. Croke Park is a lot closer to most of all of South Dublin than say Baltimore is to Pairc Ui Chaoimh. So no need for a new stadium, just shared ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I am not partisan at all, hence my proposal for measures that help all counties. What am I arguing for helps Dublin immensely too, despite what you incorrectly think.

    I've comprehensively answered your question already but happy to do so again. The teams can share Croke Park if necessary. There is no need to designate a stadium of insufficient capacity as their home ground, they can use Croke Park or Parnell Park as their home stadium if this is more suitable, even if not within the boundaries of a divisional side. So there is no need to build a new stadium and the capacity for accommodating enough fans is taken care of.

    Your hypothetical proposal of a clash of four teams designated to play at the same time in the same stadium isn't something that will arise so there is no need to factor it in as it definitely won't happen in real-life. You may as well ask me what would happen and how I could accommodate a team who wants to play on the Moon; the issue is just not going to arise. The GAA can schedule games so that no such clash ever arises. If there is a same day event, they can play at staggered times. Lots of teams share a stadium and it's not an issue- like Inter and AC Milan, Lazio and Roma. It's no problem, scheduling planning accounts for the reality of the situation. So I've demonstrated that your dreaded scenario won't ever arise. There are much less games in an inter-county calendar than in a packed Italian footballing schedule too, don't forget that.

    So the question has been addressed and now we've established that sporting teams can share a stadium with no issues for fixture scheduling and this can easily be applied in the case of the GAA. If Dublin are split, the clashes you worry about won't arise, through planning and accommodating scheduling. What will happen though is that the fairness, integrity and prestige of the All-Ireland competition will be enhanced. The real question 1 as you put is just how much the GAA will be improved by a split- and the answer is it will be significantly improved, more than by any other single measure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    I hope you’re on a wind up but I feel it’s possible you actually hopelessly believe this day of a south and north dublin both playing home games in north dublin will come. It’s amazing what the brain can convince itself of when it just has tunnel vision built up over years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Oh I accept the momentum that was building for a split in 2020 has kind of died off for now, but it'll resurrect itself for as long as Dublin are unfairly advantaged over everyone else. This is just a friendly conversation though.

    I don't really see better options after a split, building a new stadium would be expensive and time consuming (and not necessary as we've seen how a stadium can be easily shared between multiple teams). But what's the alternative? Don't split Dublin and see the GAA continue to be harmed and the game continue to wither away, especially at inter-county level as people lose interest due to Dublin's exclusive and unfair advantages? I don't think that's a good option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Your proposal only helps a handful of Counties, it will not help the weaker/smaller Counties ,it most definitely wouldn't help Dublin, and you know this , your fooling no one , all you want is to weaken Dublin to help your own County ,you don't give a fiddler's fart about the fairness integrity and prestige of the all Ireland competition, again you are just trying to gain an advantage for your own County, your 13 year anti Dublin campaign has failed and will never happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    I don’t think a split is impossible but a split where south dublin plays at home on the north side is impossible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭munster87


    Dublin North County Cyclones could play in Skerries

    Dublin North City Celtics in Parnell Park

    Dublin Central Spires get Croke Park

    Dublin South City Rovers in Templeogue

    Dublin South County Stars play in Kilmacud


    Now there would have to be slight upgrades to some of the existing facilities but it could be doable.


    Not sure where the other two teams would go for now but I'll have a think. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Split Dublin!.......kerry mayo Leitrim Longford carlow.....13 year campaign......who's your County?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭mcgragger


    Splitting Dublin is bye bye to the All Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    I am not partisan at all,

    [CITATION NEEDED]

    What am I arguing for helps Dublin immensely too, despite what you incorrectly think.

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    I've comprehensively answered your question already but happy to do so again.

    Nope.

    The teams can share Croke Park if necessary. There is no need to designate a stadium of insufficient capacity as their home ground, they can use Croke Park or Parnell Park as their home stadium if this is more suitable, even if not within the boundaries of a divisional side. So there is no need to build a new stadium and the capacity for accommodating enough fans is taken care of.

    I never spoke about building new stadia, I asked you which stadia the 4 teams would use. I also said that if you couldn't name the four, at the third time of asking mind, that you'd expose your own lack of faith in your bullsh1t proposal, which you have now done quite admirably. You can't even come up with a hypothetical scenario, your imagination is so stymied.

    Your hypothetical proposal of a clash of four teams designated to play at the same time in the same stadium isn't something that will arise so there is no need to factor it in as it definitely won't happen in real-life....................If there is a same day event, they can play at staggered times.

    But.......It does arise, though, all the time? What are you talking about? Saturday week, 27th of January, there are a load of League games scheduled to take place:

    Allianz FL Division 1 round 1

    1 Kerry v Derry, Austin Stack Park, 5.30pm

    2 Dublin v Monaghan, Croke Park, 7.30pm

    Allianz FL Division 2 round 1

    3 Meath v Fermanagh, Pairc Tailteann, 2.30pm

    4 Kildare v Cavan, Netwatch Cullen Park, 5pm

    5 Armagh v Louth, Box-It Athletic Grounds, 6pm

    Allianz FL Division 4 round 1

    6 Laois v Longford, Laois Hire O’Moore Park, 6pm

    7 Tipperary v Carlow, FBD Semple Stadium, 6pm

    It is not inconceivable that your four new Dublin teams could all be playing at home in matches 1, 5, 6 and 7 which all have throw-in within half an hour of each other, with three of them being at the exact same time. "This will never happen" he says, as it's about to happen in the very next round of games.

    Lots of teams share a stadium and it's not an issue- like Inter and AC Milan, Lazio and Roma. It's no problem, scheduling planning accounts for the reality of the situation. So I've demonstrated that your dreaded scenario won't ever arise. There are much less games in an inter-county calendar than in a packed Italian footballing schedule too, don't forget that.

    Soccer, eh? Cool. Now do inter-county GAA teams. How many of them share a stadium? See what I mean about cherry-picking?

    So the question has been addressed

    Nope. The person answering the question doesn't get to decide if the the answer is satisfactory or not, that's not how it works. Remember I answered "42" to your questions last week? Have those questions been addressed? Also, it's a bit fcukin rich for you to hold that postion while you've been refusing to answer which county you're from for 13 years.

    and now we've established that sporting teams can share a stadium with no issues for fixture scheduling and this can easily be applied in the case of the GAA.

    Nope again. We have done no such thing.

    If Dublin are split, the clashes you worry about won't arise, through planning and accommodating scheduling. What will happen though is that the fairness, integrity and prestige of the All-Ireland competition will be enhanced.

    In your opinion, which, you have repeatedly demonstrated, isn't worth a fart in the wind. "Let's take the best team, force them to split all their best players up so that the other also-rans have a chance to win a Celtic cross, alienating their fans in the process, all while hampering the smaller teams by quadrupling the number of middling/mediocre teams....that's the definition of fair and and having integrity". Please.

    Nice try, but thank you for showcasing your one-eyed, blinkered, partisan bollocksology for everyone to see. Again. It must get embarrassing, making a holy show of yourself for 13 years now at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    And that's just the footballers!

    We haven't even gotten to the hurlers, camogie teams, ladies' football, minors, ladies' minors........Currently there might be 5 or more upcoming intercounty matches featuring Dublin teams. Your proposal means that could balloon up to 20+ matches.

    Be honest, you haven't given this any serious consideration, have you? You're making it up on the fly, it's blindingly obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I've already comprehensively addressed this but as always, happy to do so again, in a non-partisan, Dublin-friendly way. The stadium the four teams will use will most likely be Croke Park. They can share it. Fixture dates/times etc. are designed by humans, not by some external party which the GAA does not control- the humans from the GAA can arrange fixtures in a way that will factor in that some Dublin divisional teams share a stadium and will ensure that no clashes will take place. This is what happens for other teams that share a stadium, it's extremely easy. So in the fixtures you have given, it would be designed in such a way that Dublin North play in Croke Park at 14:00, Dublin South play there at 16:00, Dublin West play away from home- it really wouldn't be an issue. For splits for other Dublin sides, a different stadium can be used e.g., Parnell Park. The good thing about GAA is the matches are quite short so it would be easy to facilitate extra games if teams share stadiums.

    I'm not sure any GAA team shares a stadium yet, but it doesn't matter, the same principle has successfully been applied in other sports and it works, so we can do it to help Dublin and the GAA too.

    So I've addressed the question again and we've again established that sporting teams can share a stadium with no issues for fixture scheduling and this can easily be applied in the case of the GAA. I'm happy to keep doing so (sometimes repetition helps with understanding a message) but my answers will remain essentially the same as the topic has been dealt with by me already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    It’s just such a terribly conceived idea. A 1/10 effort.


    in the unlikely event dublin is split in two, The south will have to have their own stadium. It’s beyond obvious to anyone with a decent knowledge of intercounty GAA.


    if you at least conceded this it would signal that you are at least realistic in your plan but your belief that all 2 or 4 dublin regions just go to croke park for their games just is a mental roadblock that no one else can get past



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    You have comprehensively made an absolute fool of yourself again 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Not terribly conceived at all- as I've said before, it's the single best thing the GAA can do to help the game in all counties. South/West/East Dublin won't have to have their own stadium. The distances they'll have to travel will be extremely short relative to other larger counties and it's not practical to construct a new one or significantly expand an existing one. It's beyond obvious to anyone with a decent knowledge of intercounty GAA that this can be easily done. So there downsides are tiny (some additional hassle with scheduling fixtures to ensure no clashes) but the upsides are massive- low cost for the GAA and an immediate increase in the prestige, integrity and fairness of the All-Ireland competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    As has been mentioned here many many times your not interested in the prestige integrity and fairness of the All Ireland competition ,your only interested in weakening Dublin to help your own County !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    lets build a south dublin identity by getting them to play on the north side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    No, you haven't.

    You keep saying you have, but that doesn't make it true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,117 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Great point, this type of posters with the "Dublin bogeyman" narrative either far too blinkered or incapable of understand the larger picture. The real irony is despite all Dublin's disadvantages, not enough clubs in many areas with large catchment areas, non GAA wastelands where other sports are top dog, and Dublin has to navigate the influx of country players to Dublin club football, but Dublin still have the GAA flame burning brightly.

    To be honest it is sobering thought to think where Gaelic Football would be without Dublin. Dublin have clearly raised the bar (such as revolutionising the goal keeper role, movement of players on the pitch) others have now followed. Only for Dublin we would have 20 years of teams with all their players behind the ball constantly, the Jim McGuinness template.

    And the truth is whether people are from Dublin or not, Dublin are a major draw for viewership. People want to watch them. Whether it is to watch Dublin win or lose. From a marketing point of view to destroy Gaelic Football's biggest draw would be madness.

    A spilt of Dublin would also require funding from the GAA - a new stadium, a new administration. Would the poster mind if the GAA funded it out of GAA pockets? We are talking Dublin prices not outside Dublin prices. Cost of land, lack of availability of land, cost of construction and so on.

    Also what would happen Dublin hurling? Where would they be based? The Dublin split talk seems very ill thought out to be honest.

    Take away Dublin and what would you have a Kerry 10 in a row in the next decade and AI final victories of 15 plus points?

    Dublin were fortunate to win last year as it was. It was based on nous/muscle memory not the strength of the panel, IMO

    The posters main gripe should not be Dublin, but the antiquated competition structure of the Gaelic Football Championship. That to me seems to be the major issue. Teams of the same ability should be playing against teams of similar ability. AKA the league. Which is why it is the best competition GAA have but for some mad reason it is not made the main competition.

    As always with those who mention splits they fail to mention what would follow after that - mergers. Small counties would be merged. Would a Louthman/Meathman/Armaghman be happier if they Merged to call themselves "The Wee Royal Orchard?" Because that would be ultimately what splitting Dublin would lead to. Counties merged on a geographical basis and the creation of new 'provinces'

    But strangely enough that never seems to be mentioned by such posters. They never give an opinion on mergers? It is done at club level why not County level?

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Outright transfer from the county championship to a revamped railway cup would though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Actually no it wouldn't , not for Dublin GAA , Sorry.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Home ground is just one part of county identity. I think the fact that most supporters of the divisional sides would still be seeing their clubmates compete for Sam Maguire, would know they are now competing in a fairer competition etc. would be more than enough for new identities to develop. Not to mention intra-Dublin rivalries developing.



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