The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Again agreed Cork having more players to choose from gives them a higher possibility of having a large selection of top tier players over Leitrim, Cork needs to be split.

They wouldn't have to be split as only Dublin are uniquely unfairly advantaged, therefore only Dublin need to be split. For instance, if my own county was unfairly advantaged I'd be happy for them to be split too if it was in the interests of the GAA, but this is just not the case, it only applies to Dublin. I'm glad you agree that population and funding are major advantages tough. I do like discussing the issue, it's true, but that more shows what a big one it is for the GAA. I'd love if other topics were as or more important, but this is the one issue, along with arguably equalisation of funding (which is related to Dublin's advantages) that really impacts all counties.

I can’t believe this thread is still going. There hasn’t been a new point raised in years, I do enjoy the breakdown of how the split should be done, someone wasting their time thinking up ideas and then writing it like it’s some document on how it will be done and not just a fantasy in their head. What a waste of life

I think I'm just on the verge of convincing you to change your mind, let's keep it open for a few more posts.

I think i'm on the verge of convincing you to accept your 13 year campaign has failed miserably .

I am heavily involved in local club and with county development squads in Meath.

No shortage of players, no shortage of facilities.

So how will splitting Dublin help the current Meath team malaise?

Wait, you're going to seriously claim that Dublin aren't unfairly advantaged over everyone else? Maybe we do need to keep this thread going then.

There is a shortage of players, funding, facilities in Meath compared to Dublin (this is the case for all counties compared to Dublin) but I'll answer anyway. A split will improve interest in both the short and long-term as the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition increases following a split, as Dublin's unfair advantages are dispersed across several teams, rather than concentrated into one. Any team who participates in the competition benefits from this, not just Meath (but including Dublin).

People are tiring of inter-county football because of Dublin's advantages and the damage they are doing to the competition. By taking steps to address these advantages, interest will return, which will massively enhance the competitiveness and interest. If we don't split them the competition will continue its downward trajectory.

Wait your going to seriously claim that Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc aren't unfairly advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc ?

I think you went on a Dublin tangent there and Im not sure what your saying in your answer.

For the record - and im speaking from being invovled here - there is no shortage of players or facilities in Meath - Dunganny centre of excellence is a fantastic complex and clubs like St Colmcilles/Don Ash/Trim/Ratoath/Kiltale etc to name a few have brilliant facilities. Being involved in Meath Juvenile over the last few years at county level I can see the numbers of young players - some of the clubs mentioned above have three teams at each age group. Player quantity is not the issue.

Player quality is the issue. This is where the GAA has to be better.

Splitting Dublin into two or more areas wont address the issues other counties face, it will just remove Dublin from the All Ireland intercounty championship. The funding and players will just be divided into the respective areas and other counties still wont get an advantage, it just removes Dublin, which is in effect the end of the All Ireland as a competition.

Coaching is the issue and the idea of volunteering. Too much money invovled now for a supposed "amateur" code and thats the real issue.

This is what Gaffer wants, though. This is his ultimate goal.

His county can't win an AI at the moment and he's hell-bent on crippling Dublin somehow, while pretending that this is somehow better for the smaller counties. Cherrypicking stats, then changing track when his hypocrisy is pointed out to him. All this faux altruism to masquerade his spite and bitterness and his true goal, which is to cripple Dublin. That's all there is to it.

Anything that scuppers this argument is waved away, without anything but the most basic of explanations.......Dublin have an advantage over Cork, therefore they must be split. Never mind that Cork have a much bigger relative advantage over Leitrim in the same areas, Gaffer is a Sith and only deals in absolutes. Never mind that Cork has twice the number of clubs as Dublin do, or 10 times the number of clubs that Leitrim do, only Dublin's advantages count/necessitate a split. Never mind that Kerry have been sponsored by one of the biggest conglomerates in the land for a quarter of a century, sponsorship only comes into it when it's the Dubs we're talking about. Never mind that actually splitting Dublin will make it WORSE for the minnows, as long as [Insert county here, I'm convinced it's Mayo] get their title, that's all Gaffer cares about.

For all the talk of Dublin's wins in recent years of having asterisks beside them, any County which wins an All-Ireland after splitting their biggest rivals in 2 or 3 or 4 will forever have that shadow hanging over them.

I will never go to see a divisional Dublin side play intercounty football or hurling. Never. I support Dublin, have done since I was 4, and that won't be changing any time soon. Dublin North or Dublin Fingal or whatever, they mean nothing to me. And there are 10s of thousands in my shoes as well, probably 100s. Splitting Dublin will KILL GAA in the capital. And for what? To ostensibly fix an issue that the solution doesn't even properly address, never mind even begin to correct?

Gimme a break.

Not compared to Dublin, they're not. Not compared to Dublin.

You being involved just means you have anecdotes, not actual data. On the metrics you mentioned- facilities, numbers of young players, quantities of players, Dublin vastly outstrip everyone else. Plus the funding they get helps Dublin alone to develop their players to their maximum potential, which impacts player quality and the quality of overall county championships. This would be good if everyone was enabled to do this, or the advantages were dispersed across multiple teams, but this isn't the case, Dublin alone are uniquely advantaged.

So there would be more interest, more competitiveness, more eagerness if Dublin were split as players from senior right down to juvenile would know they are no longer playing in a competition that is set to advantage Dublin alone. So while splitting Dublin won't solve every issue for other counties, it will help all of them and is the single best step that can be taken.

Cork Kerry Galway Mayo have huge advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , you are fooling no one , all you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County . There is no appetite in the Gaa to split Dublin , your 13 year campaign is a failure .

An excellent player no doubt, as are the other players you mentioned. But other than arguably Cluxton, none of those players are irreplaceable, there is an endless supply of well-trained new talent that will replace them. People said the teams of 2011, 2013 etc., couldn't be replaced- Flynn, Brogan etc. That turned out to be completelt wrong

And this is what I'm saying, Dublin's size and population enables this, for Dublin alone. The population ensures they have the playing pool of a higher absolute number of top-tier players. The funding they exclusively enjoy enables them to develop them to their maximum potential. And then, playing at home ensures victories in tight games they'd otherwise lose. For all of these, for the first two anyway, Dublin enjoy these advantages on a scale inconceivable in any other county. But if we split them, everything becomes a lot fairer, immediately.