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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Billy Kelleher was on the radio this morning and said that there are 400,000 Russians in Ukraine fighting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    China's exports to Russia are supporting Russian military production. As for your other point , why wouldnt be stronger? at the start of the war the Russians didnt have much in the way of drone tech, now they do, no doubt they have also improved their anti drone tech etc. and an obvious point is that they will have learned a lot more that cant be achieved by just training, so their kit will improve too. They will have ploughed through a lot of their soviet era stuff but at some stage that would be written off as junk anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Russia has 4 or 5 times the population of Ukraine, would you not expect the tipping point to go the other way? if there was anything to be picked up from watching this is that attrition is far higher attacking than defending especially if the attacking side is not actually breaking through

    The best thing Ukraine could do now apart from calling it a day is to pull back to round out its lines and replicate the Russian strategy of having deep lines , creating a buzz saw for the Russians.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Afghanistan had 12x less smaller population than USSR in 1980 and yet the Soviets lost

    We are already at 5x the casualties of that war btw in a couple of years compared to 10

    As for rest of your post there are a couple of videos a few pages back where Ukrainians do just that, systematically grind yet another Russian meat assault into the ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the 10 years would be the important point, I see the shooting part of this war ending next year, so I dont see war weariness in Russia being a make or break factor.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "The best thing Ukraine could do now apart from calling it a day"

    That sentence says it all - we understand your perspective. So you think that Ukr should call it a day, come out hands up and say sorry Vlad, we made a mistake and we all love you?? You live in some fantasy land comrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    You think Putin or Russian economy would still be around in 8 years from now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I would have advised hitler to do the same thing after D day (Actual ref to 2 German generals after D day breakout) , its not about apologizing, its about how to get out of the mess with more of your people and land intact. Best case for Ukraine is the final borders stay roughly where are now, worst case Russia take another 20% of the country and it ends at that point, I just dont think Ukraine have another offensive in them that would achieve success, hence my position. If I thought Russia was on the verge of collapse I'd say go for it.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭mikefromcork


    ChatGPT - give me a stereotypical tankie arguement for a Ukraine surrender which rewards Russia's murderous aggression


    Do you know how many Russian bodies it would take to steal 20% more territory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia doesn't have much offensive capability, they essentially grind forward with artillery and throw 30 and 40 yr old men with 1 week's training in. They can take a settlement or small town but typically at massive cost to themselves and high attrition on top of that.

    Ukraine know that with the right pressure (and equipment) it's possible to take more territory, and that exerts massive pressure on the Russian military, in some areas a few KM puts them within striking range of critical Southern supply lines.

    Things are very much in limbo right now (winter + waiting for funding news from US)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Thankfully I still dont know what a tankie is, except that I get an image of of that commie loon Clare Daly, im not making any moral argument so you dont need to get triggered so. As for the second part I dont and you dont either, it would depend on how stable the Ukraine defense is which is why I labelled it as the less likely option. If I had to put a number on it 70% lines say the same, 25% the lines move west, 5% Ukraine reaches Crimea, Ill await your sarcastic response ;-)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    The tankies and Putin bootlickers are incredible in their pessimism

    The net change for both sides for 2023 is exactly zero

    yet if you read posts here it’s all doom and gloom


    Did Ukraine fail to achieve its summer offensive goals? Yes they openly admitted to it and are learning and adapting

    Meanwhile the dozen Russian offensives of the year went precisely nowhere but an early grave for another 150,000 men and more limited Russian equipment

    Aside: @Gatling made one of many false claims earlier claiming Ukraine lost more than it gained in 2023 and failed yet again to backup his rantings when I confronted him for evidence which is referenced above



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What Russia gained was down to blitzkrieg surprise and a lack of Ukraine preparedness & equipment; that Ukraine managed to stem the tide to only 20% of the country lost, their capital and government intact, is itself quite an astonishing testament to Ukrainian resilience. They came within a hair's breadth to losing it all - while Russia gambled on a quick invasion and lost. Those images of Russian tanks lined up in a traffic jam will be an enduring, historic image.

    The idea Russia could make further gains is, quite bluntly, laughable and naively idiotic - and would require a huge sea-shift in circumstance to allow that. Tantamount to a coup in Kyiv, EU/US funding drying up altogether and/or forcing Ukraine to back down. Or, I dunno, a Kaiju attack or Putin truly going insane and dropping a nuke.

    They're simply not set up for further, rapid gains. Unless Russian Military Doctrine suddenly shifts radically - and given they've bled much of their best equipment, top-brass and soldiers, mightn't yield results anyway - any further gains will be achieved by grinding out single-digit kilometres using artillery saturation and meat-grinder tactics. Even jails run out of Dirty Dozens. They took that 20% in a week or so - then had to hold on for dear life the subsequent 2 years using minefields and trenches tank-traps.

    I've no idea where this war goes now that Kyiv has struggled to make gains restoring its lands to 2014 borders, and it seems hard to imagine any 3rd party peace treaty suggesting Ukraine give away the 20% would be swallowed by Kyiv; we've been in this circumstance before and they already sacrificed Crimea and their ability to defend themselves for the promised "peace in our time". That went well. Once bitten, twice shy n' all that - any deal suggesting once more Ukraine bends over and hopes for the best would - and should - be told to fúck off. Peace at any cost means nothing when the other guy has already proven to be untrustworthy.

    And maybe this is the tactic: perhaps secretly the intent is to keep things steady while Russia bleeds to death; and either Putin has a sudden and fatal case of altitude-adjusted defenestration, or the country falls apart in the weeks of his death. I daresay the moribund Russian forces might suddenly look back home if all a sudden the tanks were rolling up Red Square. Again. It wouldn't be the first time a satellite nation took advantage of an Empire's sudden chaos.

    But Russia taking more of Ukraine? I'd not take those odds. That's video-game stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But you don't have a clue about the detail of the real picture on the ground. No more than I and everyone else here. It's very unlikely that you are posting here and have deep penetration into the military & political thinking on either side and their allies.

    So you're just expressing a political wish - you think that Ukraine should just call it a day. Which is fine but we should be clear that you're happy to see Russian aggression prevail and for them to re establish this part of their empire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭scottser


    A few things.

    1. This proposal to seize 300bn in Russian Assets to reconstruct Ukraine is legally ropey. However, it won't stop the US from spinning the line that 'Ukraine should receive Russian blood money' when everyone knows it will go straight to US defence contractors. The Ukraine war is a serious economic driver for the US.
    2. Russia controls around 10tr in Ukrainian assets in the 4 occupied regions and Crimea. Ukraine can't keep sending men into a prolonged battle of attrition any longer. Any talk of ceding territory will mean the end of Ukraine as a viable state. It was already the 2nd poorest of the post-soviet states before the war. Ukraine will cease to exist as a sovereign nation within 50 years if they are forced into negotiations on that basis. Putin will be allowed back into the global financial system and Russia will control the mineral rich portion of Ukraine together with its major ports infrastructure.
    3. Zelensky has stated thousands of times that the only way Russia can be defeated is by military means. He has seen the US lead other nations up the garden path to be tossed aside later on and to his credit, is determined not to let it happen to Ukraine. Unfortunately, there is no strong leadership in either Europe or the US right now and it doesn't look like there will be any time soon. However, the West needs to supply weaponry now to secure a decisive Russian defeat or else the consequences will be drastic for Europe in the future.

    I'm not optimistic for Ukraine and by extension, I'm not optimistic for the future of Europe either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Stanford professor who is one of the people pushing this along disagrees

    we are very close to 300bn being transferred to Ukraine and other victims of Russian aggression and there is legal precedent in Sadams 50bn (in 1991 dollars) that was seized and distributed to Kuwait and others

    He spends more than half an hour discussing the issues in detail in the podcast linked here




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭scottser


    They will seize the Russian assets alright, but it will go straight back to US arms manufacturers. It won't go to Ukraine to reconstruct their towns and villages, pay their military or civil service, keep supply chains open and a host of other needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    That’s not what the interviewee in podcast outlines nor the precedent set in Gulf war 1

    Claiming something without evidence doesn’t make it correct



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭scottser


    We are all spitballing here at the end of the day, as is the guy in your podcast. None of us are in any position to know what will happen for sure and I don't particularly give a monkeys who agrees with me or not. As regards the 300bn, my guess is that Biden will get a deal done to keep on funding Ukraine but it won't be enough, it will only be enough to maintain the status quo and it will benefit the US principally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    If you listened to podcast you would realise that this 300bn has little to do with Biden or the separate issue of 60bn for 2024 in Ukraine funding that’s going thru horseytrading in US Congress

    We are talking about amounts of money that can keep Ukraine funded for another decade

    Once again I ask, Will Putin be around then and which gutter will Russian economy inhabit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,640 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I don't think America has created many problem for themselves, and even if they have, whatever problems there maybe are as nothing to the problems Russia has created for itself. When your army is decimated the only way is up, we saw this too after the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The Russian military under Putin's watch has seen vast amounts of money spent to improve the Russian military, but as the Ukraine war has shown it's no match for Nato/ West. Their arm sales have taken a huge hit and they are relying on tinpot countries to keep the war going.

    Russia can cause some problems for the USA through proxies, but Russia thanks to Putin's idiocy has given what many neo conservatives in America have always wanted, a greatly weakened Russia on the international stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russians make a beautiful little doll, it's called a Matryoshka doll, and what makes it different from other dolls is that inside the first one, there's another smaller one, and another, and another etc. and that describes Russia. Churchill's description or Russia is also pretty good. He called Russia a riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. In my opinion, the degrading of Russia as a Country or State is gathering force. Regardless of the war being in a stalemate situation presently, (and that's only if you go by territory lost or gained) Putin cannot achieve his original goals. His personal bank (Russian Wealth) is diminishing rapidly, Russian infrastructure is failing (Heating in apartment blocks failing due to lack of maintenance, as the engineers are all in Ukraine, and the heating issue is only one of thousands of similar breakdowns across the Country) Again, memories of communist times, crowds queuing for food. If this was happening in any normal Country, there would have been revolution a long time ago, long before it even got to this stage or anything like it. But this is Russia, and to my mind, it's like a train on its tracks, it can travel only in the direction of the tracks (and these are communist tracks) it can of course change direction, but that means changing tracks. And that's the problem, Russians basically fear changing tracks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like Orban may be willing to lift his Veto power over funds to Ukraine on the premise that it's reviewed on a yearly basis rather than currently open ended with no end date attached to funds ,

    Orban change of tune may be due to a odd situation where he could be in line to take EU council president as caretaker for 6 months...

    Orban taking the resigns how many saw that coming




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On 1, I don't get why it is "ropey", given what Russia has done, once the needed legal mechanisms are carefully put in place to do it - effectively as another Western sanction on Russia. edit: that it will mostly go to US defence contractors is, I would say, a conspiracy theory. The plan was that it be used to rebuild Ukraine post war, given its very unlikely we'll ever see Russia pay a cent of reparations for wrecking the country.

    Russia are at least as hostile now to Western countries as the Soviet Union was in most dangerous days of the Cold War in the 1960s and 1980s.

    That hostility should be fully reciprocated, tit for tat, cutting off relations as much as possible and burning bridges down by the US and EU.

    Not taking these assets as using them as see fit to damage Russia is continuing a foolish pretense that things can be normal or will go back to business as usual soon. They won't and are more likely to get worse and move closer to a war involving EU countries in coming years, especially if things go as poorly for Ukraine as you seem to think they will (don't share that view, and am more hopeful).

    Afaik Putin has enacted laws to allow Russia to expropriate assets of Western companies that try to exit Russia - the ones that tried to ride it out are trapped now (can't leave without taking the hit and writing off everything).

    Think some have been taken in hand and effectively stripped anyway, because what they were doing was considered essential, and Putin wanted him/his oligarchs to control it rather than having them likely on a go slow or a wind down under control or management of a Western company (maybe headquartered in an "unfriendly" nation) during the war.

    Russia also pirated a few bn Eur of leased aircraft to keep its domestic aviation going under sanctions - this seems to be down the memory hole now though. They have no leg to stand on if wailing and crying foul about their Western assets being taken off them, if and when it happens it will be just a delayed response to their own actions, because the wheels move slower in countries that are democratic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Economics101


    This is totally misleading. For ecample see the well-respected CEPR: The link won't work, but overall EU income inequality has been trending downwards . There are various measures of poverty and they are difficult to compare between countries for what should be obvious reasons. n Ireland, the tax and transfer system has been highly redistributive and has contained any potential increase in inequality.

    On top of that unemployment has been low by historical standards and employment growth has been high.

    So the Russian propaganda aout immiseration in the West is just total lies. No one should use it as some sort of excuse for political extremism or somehow dumping on Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ukraine and Russia are changing the nature of war, with the drone asymmetry and the cost of defending against them, also have you not seen how an Iran proxy/alliy can fck up global trade with drones/missiles? The US should be very worried about the can of worms they are helping to open.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭scottser


    Of course it's total lies -it's simple deflection from their own travails. However, as inflation increases across the EU, income equality takes a corresponding nosedive. Food, rent, transport and utilities are all increasing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The US are actively working on there own systems involving drones for the last 20 years and anti drone systems along with half of the world unfortunately Ukraine and Russia didn't change anything really other than using fpv drones more .

    The US invented Drone strikes 🤦

    Post edited by Gatling on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Fastpud


    Surely that’s is just a play so he can be the centre of attention every year rather than being made irrelevant if countries go their own way and fund directly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's currently nothing stopping individual countries sending money but the problem there is not every country can afford to send tens of millions or billions , and it's not as if Ukraine has no money at all ,

    The biggest complaint Orban currently has he wants the EU to oversee the distribution of any aid rather than handing out tens of billions over to the Ukrainian government



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