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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I seen a graph posted yesterday suggesting Russia is now shooting 10,000 rounds of artillery while Ukraine is shooting 2000 shells per day, which some how gives Russia the advantage in artillery again,all the while it was been claimed that they were loosing thousands of guns and couldn't possibly replace, repair or have the ammunition to keep this up ,

    They still seem to have access to a lot of artillery and shells, wether it be Iranian, north Korea or India or still producing enough to keep their artillery going around the clock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Since most of us don’t receive daily updates from Kremlin Central can you provide a link to said graph?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Let me know if you ever find a single pro Russia post.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The US did comment on the fact Ukraine were counter attacking on at least 3 axis (and also bakhmut) and suggested they focus on one in order to breach the Russian defences. They also suggested Ukraine commit more armor to the assults and be less risk adverse. There was criticism at the time that it's easy for the US to say that when it's not their soldiers on the ground.

    So not outrageous or fantastical claims and in hindsight it looks like the US were right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,816 ✭✭✭✭josip


    All very well for the US to say commit more, but when was the last time the US themselves committed large amounts of troops without air superiority?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Yeah Josip got it right just before me. Added to that when was the last time the US fought a near peer(or indeed with MORE raw resources available to them) enemy without air superiority against minefields the like of which the world has never seen. Where the couple of hundred armored vehicles/tanks that were donated to them were not guaranteed to be replaced. Where they had no long range ability to barbeque the airfields filled with Ka-52s before they moved.

    We all remember the initial images of the dozen or so bradleys/leopards knocked out in minefields before they'd even made a few metres of progress. And that was just a few days worth of work. What would have happened if Ukraine had continued to smash their faces against the wall for 4 months? It's easy to imagine that they'd have had nothing left and still not have even made it to Tokmak. Then Russia collapse on Avdivka and.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But they will never have air superiority,so they have choices to make,come out and fight and try push the Russians back or sit in trenches and hope they keep getting artillery shells in large numbers to keep the Russians in there trenches...

    There is only one way they can beat the Russians, sitting back isn't one of those options guaranteeing any victory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There's zero chance either side will ever achieve air superiority. Not to mention the US enjoyed air supremacy in the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Needless to say whether or not the US was correct in it's suggestions is a moot point. The question was did they say it, yes they did, it wasn't just Russian propaganda etc....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    They also said the counter offensive would fail before it started and they were right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Because the Ukrainian leadership decided against going with the plans and strategies put forward by the US and NATO and do there own thing which they put months of planning and intelligence gathering to come up with a plan that would actually get them territory back instead of losing it ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    They didn't just "decide" to go against the plans. You make it sound like they took a glance at the plans, had a collective chuckle and then threw it in the bin.

    They actually tried manoeuvre warfare in earnest for the first handful of days. They saw first hand just how costly in materiel it would be to continue. Materiel which was believed to be non renewable. Not to mention the loss of life. Then they switched to attrition instead.

    "No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength."

    More fool is me though even bothering to reply to you. You've proven time again to be impervious to any logic which contradicts your expertise. And when shown to be wrong or questioned in a way you have no answer for you slink away and start rambling about something else.

    Useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Who exactly in US military or government said that Ukrainians should run into minefields and multilayered defences without long range missiles and air superiority as cover or long term training that let’s say US army would enjoy

    Because that’s precisely what they did and it didn’t end well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The big offensive failed in less than 5 days ,and as much as your excuses are trying to make it sound like oh this is what happened,

    The Americans came out and said they disregarded the Plans and strategies to give the the best chance of winning,

    All these Months laters Lads this is what happened no .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Fantastic reply.

    Fortunately for me the posts I'm making reference several credentialed individuals. Namely Valery Zalushny. Heard of him?

    If you're bothered to read the article i can tell you how to circumvent the paywall. I suspect you won't though. So here's a little quote from the article and some from the man himself:

     “If you look at nato’s text books and at the maths which we did, four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” General Zaluzhny says sardonically. Instead he watched his troops get stuck in minefields on the approaches to Bakhmut in the east, his Western-supplied equipment getting pummelled by Russian artillery and drones. The same story unfolded on the offensive’s main thrust in the south.

    At which point he:

    the general told his staff to dig out a book he once saw as a student. Its title was “Breaching Fortified Defence Lines”. It was published in 1941 by a Soviet major-general, P.S. Smirnov, who analysed the battles of the first world war. “And before I got even halfway through it, I realised that is exactly where we are because just like then, the level of our technological development today has put both us and our enemies in a stupor.”


    I also pull some of the opinions I post from Anders Puck Nielsen.

    It's an older video which describes exactly what went on between Ukraines initial Manoeuvre phase and switch to attrition. As posted by this credentialed individual:

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    So..... We have the Commander in chief of the UAF and a military analyst with years worth of credentials making the points about what happened in the offensive(switching from NATO manoeuvre to attrition) that I'm referencing.

    Against........ you?

    I literally can't wait to see your credentials. Or perhaps an admission that you're talking absolute shite as per usual. I suspect I'll get neither but I'm not the miserable sort. I like to remain hopeful! ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin beware the Mothers of Russia..

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1744124099331526806



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    800 + billion on defence going by what the US media were talking about last night,if it's not agreed on next week the next deferral date to avoid a government shutdown will be the first or second week in February



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Pretty much what I speculated way back when folks were worrying. The republicans, bar those under Kompromat and fawning fans of Putin, seemed to have eyes for the border and Ukraine was a useful hostage to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    There is also movement on transferring 300+ billion (that’s 5x what’s being held up in congress!) in Russian state funds to Ukraine frozen by G7 states which can’t be held up by congress

    The professor interviewed in this podcast discusses the issue in depth, including the precedent set in seizing 50bn (in 1991 dollars) of Iraqi funds in gulf war which was distributed to victims




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, 842 billion to be exact (according to WIKI) of which something less than 5% will be earmarked for Ukraine, and of that amount, 90% will actually be spent in the US. Seems like a no-brainer, but when it comes to the US and its internal dynamics .....and you have to think just how that figure is made up. Is it based on the current replacement values of munitions and vehicles, artillery etc. Or is it "free" meaning equipment that was due for replacement? Best before date passed, and already costing for storage etc? In any case, it's a minuscule amount in the overall scheme of things in the US. But it's being used as blackmail by one side to force the other side to take a certain course of action, and meanwhile, Ukraine is suffering, and Putin is laughing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, let's hope that they get their own (US) issues sorted, and they can get back to stopping Putin and his murderous regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I do believe the value of goods is based off what the ticket price was new ,I doubt they use depreciation when adding up the figures of stock that's coming to it's sell by date or date of destruction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And this is a dangerous vector for the Russian administration. Between deaths and wounded, the number of families directly affected has to be substantial. Even if Muscovites are more sheltered, the reality has to start biting. You post often about the rigorous control over the population but women: mothers, grandmothers, wives, girlfriends, sisters, daughters can exert great influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, that would fit very well into to the US financial " Framework", but it stinks of sharp financial practice too. Holding vast quantities of obsolete or soon to be obsolete weapons / stock's etc. which are costing millions to store securely and are in fact a financial cost at this stage, and will cost even more to dispose of, valuing them at their original cost smacks of sharp practice. (That's if that is what's happening) When they have the Ukraine literally begging for weapons. Two birds with the one stone, in fact ( actually 3 birds, Russia is taking a big hit too)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Say 365'000 dead plus 700'000 wounded / disabled, and plus add another 200'000 (???) actually fighting in Ukraine, and that adds up to a fair Nr of families affected. And its showing in the economic sense too, you cannot take this kind of Nrs out of the workforce, without consequence, and now many black holes are appearing in the fabric of life for ordinary Russians. In Moscow, some 20'000 residents have been left without heating in -30c, lack of routine maintenance being the primary cause, and this is replicated in many rural areas too. No, things are not going well for Vladimir Putin on the home front. The question is, when if ever, will it reach critical mass?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If they haven't spoken up in two years of high attrition warfare, then I doubt they ever will.

    The concept of fighting off the Nazis is still within living memory for some old Russians. It's an absolutely central part of the modern Russian story and supremely emotive. Think of how unpopular it is in Britain for someone to question the wearing of the poppy and extrapolate that to Russia and anyone who would question going to fight Nazis in Ukraine (to hear Putin tell it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    As I dont see any scenario where NATO is actually fighting Russia , its only going to be via proxies so you introduce all kinds of complications, training, shortages as can be seen in artillery etc. You really didnt respond to the thrust of my point which was the US has created problems for itsself by pushing a group of countries together sharing tech and know how. Also in absolute terms the Russian army that comes out of this will be much improved over the sleepy force it was before.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I suspect a Critical Mass or Tipping Point exists for the Russians, but the question certainly is; what is that point?

    There will be a point where Russia has used up too much of her Soviet arsenal, and too many of her viable troops to have any shot of holding back an offensive by the AFU. Unless they can realisitally replace the lost equipment and useful troops at the rate they are losing them, it can only be a matter of time and of course the will to continue fighting the Russians. How much time is the question that I bet even the sharpest intelligence agencies are having a challenge trying to figure out.

    I don't however expect that Tipping Point to be the end of Putin. Based on your experiences with Russia that you have shared with us here jmreire, I'm getting the impression that no uprising will happen to topple Putin, and that the man himself will be in post until assasinated or until age takes him.



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