Sick of this country

For the health service yeah I would say many things are fucked in Ireland. Don't know a better way to describe the shitshow how badly it is all put together .

'Forcing' them to stay after grad for 2 to 3 years is no big deal i.e. you enjoyed a very cheap education (but very expensive for taxpayers) , , if you want to leave without contributing you'll need to pay some of it back.

Hardly a big ask. Make it a financial choice.

We are doing the same now up North.

No complaints for those students eh ???

Medicine is massively oversubscribed as a university course. I doubt very much you would have a problem recruiting students to do medicine even if there was a period of paying back the tax payer for their subsidy like there is in other countries. Some might be put off but there would be plenty more to take their place.

Same then should go for everyone who graduates from through third level. Perhaps anyone graduating should spend three years working for the state as some sort of "payback"?

It would be a unique experiment to run communism alongside uber capitalist neo-liberalism. . . but hey only the Irish would try that?

No, no you wouldn't. Stop lying.

Doctor much?

Presumably because it maintains the exclusivity and prestige of medicine as a profession in Ireland. Keep the number of Paddies qualifying to a small number.

Sorry. . . . The state does not get to control the lives of one set of graduates following graduation.

I know well how it works.

Somebody who starts their career here is likely to stick around longer. They are in the system .

Nobody answered me why the government is paying for students to study in NI if they don't need the doctors . And how come it's okay to ask them to work but not docs that we fully subsidised education in Ireland to work.

Bit of a joke the whole thing. Up to 70% of Irish medical grads are leaving to Australia shortly after graduation, so we are looking to setup students in NI instead. Brilliant minds in the government.

We shouldn't be sponsoring MOST IRISH MEDICAL STUDENTS for 7 years free education to them so they immediately take off to another country. That is a huge waste of resources. It is contributing very little to the well being of patients in our country .

It's nothing about controlling but putting the right policies in place.

Financial incentives are used all the time....everywhere.

As you all know VERY well the numbers that are leaving immediately upon graduation but consistently failing to mention here. Funny that.

""A measure of the extent of emigration of young Irish doctors is that 62 of 77 medical students from University College Cork who graduated in 2021 are currently practising in Australia. In a recent post on Twitter, one of them, Rory Holohan (@rory_holohan), said, “A sign of the times is that a lot of my friends were talking about Perth/Melbourne even from fourth year (in medical school)”

A 2020 medical graduate from University College Galway told The BMJ that about 70% of recently qualified doctors from the college were now working in Australia. UCG graduates work mainly in Perth, Western Australia, while most Cork""

It's not really outrageous and as I said it's not the full answer to our problems.

The course spaces are there just up the road, we have students who will fill them and we have the money.

Perfect is the enemy of good and until we get an increased number of doctors in our system it won't function properly.

As for accountants, your accountant might save you money but your doctor could save your life.

Junior doctors are paid peanuts in Ireland

Little wonder they go abroad if that's how Little they're valued

My take is who are the eejits who block giving them decent pay?

Also a toe up the ass needs to be given to other public servants who think because doctors and nurses get a pay rise up to what's reasonable for their life saving work is an excuse for them to ask the same, they should be told in no uncertain terms to féck off

Such reciprocal demands are the reason there's push back against paying health service workers enough

The same greedy unions representing other sectors then are among the top of the loud voices mentioning the health service as badly resourced

These things are easily fixed,involve the state cheque book and a dose of reality medicine to the nay sayers

Politicians do not get to own people's lives because they won't invest properly in healthcare staff and their conditions.

NHS staff do not pay the public sector pension levy (an approximate 10% pay cut) as public sector workers in Ireland do. The Irish are cute at raising the level of the gross wage when the net wage is not nearly as close.