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Calf to beef thread

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  • #62
    weatherbyfoxer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121566115#Comment_121566115

    Great job but takes managing



  • #63
    893bet
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567121#Comment_121567121

    How so?



  • #64
    weatherbyfoxer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567174#Comment_121567174

    Needs loads of potash and sulphur,need to be wilted or you end up with bales of pea soup and needs to be cut at the correct stage or it ends up like bales of Ash plants...but if you get it right you will need no meal to supplement it to young stock over the winter and stock grow frames like nothing else when they are wintered on it



  • #65
    893bet
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567229#Comment_121567229

    Interesting. Have seed for 8 acres to sow that never got done last year.

    Assuming you dont tedd it out or cut with a conditioner mower how long wilt you typically leave (an almost impossible question given the variables 😀).


    What are the signs that it’s the right stage to cut?



  • #66
    Water John
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    Mow red clover every five weeks, at 7 cm height, no conditioner.



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  • #67
    Bass Reeves
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    Had Red Clover 8-10 years ago. Personally not a fan of it. It smothers tge grass within 3-4 years. Wilting is grand during the summer but hard in September or April/early May or a summer like last year.

    You cannot graze in spring or Autumn.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #68
    Bass Reeves
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    These are the rags I bought during December not everyone's choice I know

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • #69
    cute geoge
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    you have a couple of light one that need to be put in a seperate pen



  • #70
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    They are like myself when i came out of hospital a few years ago. Shook but the shape is there and plenty of food will have a broad back back.



  • #71
    Siamsa Sessions
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    You're an optimist!

    If it was anyone else bought them, I'd say they were cracked. But I'm sure you've the patience to get a twist out of them.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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  • #72
    memorystick
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    Super thriving stock. You’re farming to make money I see. What was the price range?



  • #73
    Anto_Meath
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    If they came in at the right money, which from following you @Bass Reeves I am sure they did then they will leave a nice twist. They are long term but nothing wrong with that once you have a system.



  • #74
    morphy87
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568273#Comment_121568273

    How many bags of milk replacer each did these Calfs get and how much meal are you giving them? When did you weigh them?



  • #75
    morphy87
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568458#Comment_121568458

    Going by that they should be 330 kgs by the end of march,the lmx and 345 the bbx, that would be good weights



  • #76
    Albert Johnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    They look respectable for the money overall. There's a right black stirk on it and the limousine heifer. The Frx look straight sorts overall, it's hard to put a bundle together without an odd turkey. There's one wee FRx child of a lad sandwiched at the barrier in a few of the photos that I'd pull out into a pen where he'd have less competing to do.

    If I wanted to be fully critical there's one black and white that I wouldn't rate at all but an odd one of them comes with the territory of Friesians. All in all I'd pass them at the money, you'll not know them a month after turnout.



  • #77
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567726#Comment_121567726

    Maybe, however the small Friesians will push in anywhere. The softer ones I bought are actually struggling more than the lighter ones. Have not got another pen, mind you they have plenty of space IMO. The pen is nearly 16' square. I have plenty of room for the ration as I can feed back and front. They were finishing a bale last night and they only have access to silage along about 9-10' of the front barrier. They will not clean it tonight.

    Last three bullocks going to the factory Friday. Ya that will make pen space available, however I be slow to unsettle this crowd. Will be trying to buy another 20 of similar type cattle

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567760#Comment_121567760

    Ya a load of lads have a mental block about waiting for your money but when you solve the 10-24 month mental block the money is coming in every year.

    Cashflow is Vanity, Profit is Sanity

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567810#Comment_121567810

    Not really it's all about time. They are 18 month cattle. 5-550 euro will finish them in my system

    It never pays to breed a bad one it often pays to feed one.......John Shirley quote

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567880#Comment_121567880

    I try not to buy cattle that you CAN gather money off ( in that you can go back to the mart to sell), I buy cattle that WILL gather money ( as in they will leave a profit).

    There is a profit in cattle like that but it only really for one person. I try to be that person.

    The lighter FR were 220, the heavier Fr ones with the two Sim I posted the price on this thread I think about 300 euro the Sim's were 400 ish. The HE a bit with 400, the black LM about 450 ( suckler bred 270 kgs I think), the Friesian with the nice red LM heifer 120 ( he got pneumonia over Christmas but has recovered, the red LM heifer 380-400 euro, she a good one 170 kgs ( I think) the day I bought her.

    That is all off the top of my head was watching the final of the darts in the local.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567976#Comment_121567976

    Ya longterm cattle. From the prices above I think they will leave a good twist.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #78
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568650#Comment_121568650

    Good spotting you have an eye like myself and the young lad. The red LM heifer I bought along with a black AA heifer. The AA was a bit too strong for the the LM and the FR calf I was putting her up the Shute for an hour gone them a chance at the ration. However they were slow at the ration. She is gone into the heavier heifers aling with three Red HE tgT I bought for 580@310 kgs only 6-7 months on the cards. Needs must

    The LM heifer is flying considering she is mostly only eating silage since she came in. The Fr calf is bringing her to the ration while he had the pneumonia she went off it again.

    The black LM ( shirk I presume) was straight off a cow was a nutcase in the ring. He was about 280 kgs and cost 450. Has lost his bloom along with the soft FR's, he is squeezed now. He will be grand.

    I often see the Ulster terms Rags are badly done young cattle ( I think). Shirk is avoid or neglected

    What differences it from a rag

    The B&W you do not rate is a HO, hexane in all right had weight and age. Probably paid a bit more than I would have liked( he is in the docket I posted a few weeks ago) I had got the two Sim's at ok money, bought another three after that at ok money

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #79
    Albert Johnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568693#Comment_121568693

    I can hold my own at stock, that's not to say I didn't make lots of mistakes along the way and will again.

    Is there much of a difference in the single Frx lad at €120 and the group at €220? I'd like the black bullock especially at that money, he looks like he'll grow into a right one.

    I'd have the same definition of a rag, a healthy backward store with potential. It's stirk not shirk, another Northern expression meaning a yearling bullock or heifer to the best of my knowledge. Fair play for putting up the pictures, I don't want to come across as being critical.



  • #80
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568725#Comment_121568725

    A man who ever made a mistake never done nothing, you learn more from your mistakes than from other people's. Never mind criticism because of that.

    The lad at 120 was a 3ish month old calf done well. He has a larger frame. He was a soft well done animal along with his two companions.

    The 220 euro lads were hardier and have thrived from arrival considering they have been squeezed since. There age will finish them. He will probably leave more but will be there longer alo g with hus companions.

    I never mind throwing up a few picture, some might think it arrogant but I look at it different. We are mostly sub 100 acre farmers here trying to work the system. It took me 10 years plus to start to finesse my system, hopefully I can save another lad a year or two.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #81
    Albert Johnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568756#Comment_121568756

    There's only one way to learn imo and that's by doing. My father was never into farming much and therefore I had to and continue to figure it out for myself the majority of the time. I like seeing how stock turn out and comparing them to you're initial expectation.

    I get what you mean about the Frx, the dearer bunch look to be stiffer sorts of lad's and will hit the ground running if given half a chance. The softer baby type ones can do the business too but need more minding to ensure success especially in the beginning.



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  • #82
    memorystick
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    Fair play to you for giving photos and prices of very middle of the road cattle. My attitude would be if the previous lad is making nothing out of them then you probably will! I’ve hungry raw lads bought at handy money but after turning inside out.

    I’d say lads are having second ideas about bucket feeding after reading this thread.



  • #83
    weatherbyfoxer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568861#Comment_121568861

    Always a twist in a system like bass's and can work well along with bucket rearing beef.

    We buy dairy x stores around 400kg after we kill our own bucket reared calves 18-20 months.these usual double their money by late July/August in the factory.it works well as you aren't competing with the feedlot lads at the ring for stock around 400kg and they are gone off the farm before the bucket reared calves have much of a grass demand



  • #84
    kk.man
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121568756#Comment_121568756

    That's why I am on here too ...no arrogance just showing others (who want to learn) what can be achieved.

    If people are hell bent on sucklers or bucket feeding calves they better be prepared to do them well because if the don't they could be busy fools and then there is me and others who will take up where they left off. Its not about getting one up its just business.

    I dont mind to say I got burnt starting out too and it hurt.



  • #85
    White Clover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567644#Comment_121567644

    Fair play to you Bass. Were you able to lease a bit of land to expand or did you purchase? Did you ever consider running a flock of sheep along with the cattle?



  • #86
    Gudstock
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    Can anyone tell me roughly how many round bales of straw to an 8x4x3 bale please?



  • #87
    mr.stonewall
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569291#Comment_121569291

    2.25 to 2.5 round. Tend to be be a touch more as they are packed better. Straw must be bone dry from the big squares as they can get a bit mouldy. If I have a choice its big squares. Less storage space easier to work with.



  • #88
    weatherbyfoxer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569276#Comment_121569276

    Depending on the type of stock and if we get drought conditions or not..aa and he stock usually don't need meal at the 26-28 month stage to finish once grass is well managed



  • #89
    morphy87
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569221#Comment_121569221

    ho would you define someone about not doing bucket fed Calfs right? Apart from not making money!



  • #90
    kk.man
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569961#Comment_121569961

    I don't get your question



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  • #91
    weatherbyfoxer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121569961#Comment_121569961

    Doing calves that don't hit weight targets..if your feb/march born calf isn't 230-250kg by the 1st of November you will struggle make much on them..that my opinion on my past 10 years rearing calves and bringing them to beef anyway.Maybe other find it different

    Post edited by weatherbyfoxer on


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