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What is all this anti immigrant shite. Most of us in here **** love Ukraine. They are heroes. After this is war is over and they join the EU they can flood the place with themselves assuming our **** government have fixed the housing crisis.

It's pretty black and white. I want Ukraine to win at all costs.

If they ask EU countries for economic aid they should get it.

If they ask for military aid they should get it and more.

If they ask for certain segments of their population back they should get it. Why should Ukrainians still in Ukraine have to undergo mandatory conscription but not those we're helping abroad.

Feel free to disagree whether or not Ukraine should get economic, military or help in terms of manpower. But don't insult me with this anti immigrant shite.

Ukraine to win at all costs and whatever fhet want I say they should get.

Laws are there to be changed and I for one hope this law is. It's a fucked up law when you think about it in terms of Ukraine. Some situations it makes sense.

Anyway enough of this shite talk. Today is a day for celebration with 3 russian fighter jets falling out of the sky. Happy Christmas Putin.

There not going to change any laws to suit Ukraine, and if they started demanding people who have been given international protection be returned to be sent to their deaths in a trench,they will quickly alienate supporters,they could damage their application to join the EU one day ,

It's amazing how Ukrainians lives are the sacrafice some key board warrior here are willing to make.

We know it from our own history, there are those with no dreams of combat who'll then prove most able operatives in defence of their communities.

The Ukrainians have no choice really. Stay and fight or let the Russians in to rape pillage rob and kill them in cold blood..

You're not wrong I'm just giving my opinion on what should happen. Laws change over time and I wouldn't be surprised if Europe is ruled by far right parties in 20 years. It's trending that way.

Now I don't support most far right ideologies but these are the type of people who would change laws like that.

It's a real shame for Ukraine they're going to lose a lot of man power. Maybe they can convince those abroad to return and do tasks that don't involve fighting on the front lines. Every little helps.

I'm the type of guy who thinks NATO should have immediately responded to this invasion by defending Ukraine within Ukraine. The war would be over by now. Why a country is facing obliteration I don't have much time for laws that hinder a countries very survival.

Let me guess they were made up during different times after WW2 when the West thought there'd be no more wars. It makes no sense for a country like Ukraine. Russia the aggressor is benefiting from these laws.

Are you a Russia bot btw? Do you want Ukraine to win? Do you not realise Ukrainians who are in Ukraine might not have no choice in terms of conscription. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for the same Ukrainians being looked after abroad.

International law is clearly flawed.

And if Ukraine dropped the recruitment age to 15 would you still support it?

What if it was the war in Syria instead and Assad was calling on all countries to expel their Syrian refugees?

Or what if Putin did the same?

So much flawed thinking.

I said it ten years ago and and I said it two years ago if NATO stepped in straight away we wouldn't have had this war or the invasion and occupation of Crimea back then, and even now it's looking more likely that NATO may have to put boots on the ground because it seems Ukraine are struggling , like the Russians they are taking heavy losses they have units in trenches 18 months and no rotating out, along with the other issues I keep raising people on the from lines with not even the most basic of essential kit for soldiers fighting a multi year war ,cold weather gear and clothing,socks and underwear, winter boots, ballistic helmets and plate carriers and including the sapi plates, they have received billions in military and financial aid from the EU/NATO and the US and further afield,but yet units are begging on social media for people to donate the basics they aren't getting,

Were back to F16s but they won't change a thing if they won't supply the men and women in the trenches with proper equipment first , this time last year we were all laughing at the poor kit the Russians had while bigging up the winter kit coming from NATO , where is all of this kit ,and where is the billions being spent not going on the lads and women in the trenches...

Would you be happy to be told that you have to leave a safe country to return to those conditions.

Something isn't right in Ukraine and changes are needed or before things get worse

What have Russians here got to do with it? The equivalence would be if Russia demanded them back and since they're the aggressor we should tell them to **** off.

And what you on about evilness. So are Ukraine evil if they force conscription on the very same Ukrainians still in Ukraine. Your definition of evil is flawed.

@Gatling

Agreed and NATO imo should still enter western Ukraine. Take up positions across the entire border between Ukraine and Belarus. Bring their best air defence units with them while they're at it. Free up Ukrainian resources to be focused on the front. Sadly I fear the West want a long drawn out war to inflict maximum damage on Russia. They'll keep giving them just enough.

@Padre_Pio I already addressed that weird correlation with Russia. What's needed is the ability to act on a case by case basis. These laws are too rigid and lack flexibility. They're outdated.

Ukraine is an out and out ally. We should want them to win. They are fighting a war they can realistically win. Why discriminate against Ukrainians we took in abroad Vs Ukrainians in Ukraine. It's a fucked up law that lacks equality.

And in this case Ukraine doesn't just need front line soldiers. It's a no brainer to answer their call for help.

I'm happy to move on. We can agree to disagree without the name calling.

Today like I said is a day of celebration. Not only did 3 russian fighter jets take a dive but the Dutch have publicly announced 18 F-16's to Ukraine.

Like Gatland says this isn't a wonder weapon game changer but it's a badly needed step in the right direction and sets a precedent for more to follow in future. It's also another laughable red line crossed.

My hope is they'll have over 50 in the next 2 years. And a combination of different fighter jets. That last box to be ticked are attack helicopters. After that they've received nearly everything they need but it's about quantity thereafter and receiving enough.

No need. It's just certain posters feigning support for Ukraine and being found out when Russian residents are mentioned. I'd say they have it out of their system now.

Yeah yeah like in February 2022.

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