Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

Its the usual smoke and mirrors from this section tbh, oh you didn't care about biological men competing against women or being in female only spaces until trans people started doing this, ergo you are transphobic. I've said it before in other threads, the entire notion is built on a house of cards and does not hold up to any form of logical scrutiny but anyone that dares to raise an eyebrow is a transphobe, a TERF or wants to see trans people no longer exist / deny their existence, its such bad faith arguments and they have to keep coming back to it because there is literally nothing else for them to cling on to.

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What sports at professional or elite level are trans people cleaning up in?

Where is this fear coming from?

What safety?

Is thread about to do it's usual peak about trans people jumping out of cubicles to rape you?

What sports at professional or elite level are trans people cleaning up in?

EVERYONE should be entitled to fair competition in sport, not just professionals and elites. It is entirely irrelevant at what level someone competes if their participation is unfair to other competitors. So in this particular case, no male sex athletes should be allowed to compete in the female sex category in any sport that has female sex categories, irrespective of the level they are competing at.

Fairness should not be an elitist concept or entitlement.

Surely the clinicians when examining the patient for gender identity issues would be able to spot the co-morbidity.

Anyway I'm finding this whole line very suspicious. What I know is that it was revealed at Tavistock that a very high percentage (was it 30%) of patients had psychological co-morbidities. Now I hear it's well understood that "LGBT People" have always show this higher rate of co-morbidities - so nothing to see here, that neatly explains that one.

Teachers in the UK don't have to call pupil's by chosen pronouns in new guidelines issued,

I'd expect the Foley one to come out and tell us the Schools here the exact opposite

I honestly don't know whether you are being intentionally obtuse or having a bad day.

im confused- the sky news report you link to states that in "the absence of preferred pronouns the Childs preferred name should be used". Are you saying the sky report got it wrong?

There's a difference between people who would diagnose with autism or body dysphoria. They're different specialist areas. That's why it's hard to find someone who can diagnose a condition like ASD.

And even 20 years ago it would have been so hard to find someone. Now there's online directories. 20 years ago the internet was in it's infancy compared to now. There was also a lot less understanding of neuro diversity. the phrase neurodiverse wasn't even in use. Aspegers existed but there wasn't the umbrella term ASD.

He asked you several simple questions and you can't answer them?

(These are the questions you are avoiding answering...

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You are determined to hold others to a higher standard than you are capable of adhering to yourself.

If you want to call your obsession weird then that is perfectly fine.

And you still can't answer the questions, yet expect other people to adhere to a standard which you continue to demonstrate you are incapable of adhering to yourself.

And yet that's exactly what you did in post #662. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Males are more dangerous than females.

The entirety of recorded human history show this.

Males perform at a higher level than females in physical activities. An Australian study showed that the gap in performance begins as early as nine years old.

Here are results of US high school boys vs 2016 Olympic finalist women in many sports.

https://boysvswomen.com/#/

Males commit over 90% of all violent crime, and sexual assaults. The majority of the victims of sexual assault are female.

Trans women are male, and there is nothing to suggest that male patterns change after transition of any kind.

So to protect females from both harm, and unfairness, you exclude males from certain spaces, and services.

Trans women are male, so they get excluded too. No special treatment. Equal treatment.

Any male who complains is a giant red flag.

So absolutely no evidence that trans people are more dangerous than anyone else.

There are just two transgender inmates held in Irish prisons, or 0.04 per cent of the prison population.

So 2? Both held in segregation.

And knowing the story with one of them they will soon be off to the central mental hospital.

So this isn't really a problem at all is it?

In relation to sports where are all these trans champions dominating at any level?

The questions you were asked by Kippy, that you still are unable to answer except with other questions are :

I didn't say trans people are more dangerous than anyone else. I said transitioning doesn't change anything regarding how dangerous someone is.

Do you think female people don't deserve to set boundaries, and say no to males?

I didn't say trans people are more dangerous than anyone else. I said transitioning doesn't change anything regarding how dangerous someone is.

Great, could you show citation for that claim?

There are just two transgender inmates held in Irish prisons, or 0.04 per cent of the prison population.

Would that stat not suggest they are less dangerous, or at the very least less likely to be involved in criminality?

So you're an elitist then. You don't think that anyone below elite level in sports matters when it comes to fairness. As long as someone entering a category they are not eligible for does not "dominate" that category you don't care. As long as the elites are not affected you don't care how many non-elite athletes are affected.

I'm going to guess you have very little interest in sports. You certainly show no understanding of one of the fundamental principles of sports competition. (Fairness, in case you can't work it out).

I have no fear of trans people, just in case you're trying to imply I do.

You're a big fan of women's sports are you?

If the problem existed to the extent being portrayed elite female sports would be dominated by trans athletes.

So far we have one trans athlete winning one race in America some where.

Still don't see how this is one of the most pressing issues of your time.

Some numbers for context. So, a tiny proportion of the population.

By “people who have received surgical intervention too soon”, did the programme include any mention of a recent Supreme Court decision in Japan which ruled mandatory sterilisation as a requirement for legal gender recognition unconstitutional?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/25/victory-transgender-rights-japan

The decision follows European countries being forced to pay compensation to victims of mandatory sterilisation policies which were previously a requirement for treatment and/or legal recognition -

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1YZ0YE/

States in the US are still somewhat behind the curve -

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-just-japan-many-us-states-require-transgender-people-get-sterilized

If you were looking to understand why the exponential rise in the numbers of patients seeking treatment for gender incongruence which is so debilitating to the degree that they require medical and surgical intervention, taking the mandatory unnecessary surgical intervention off the table could provide one explanation as to why they’re not having to reconsider whether seeking treatment is guaranteed to lead to worse outcomes for themselves.

It’s a tough one, because already medical professionals in the US and Europe are playing catch-up given the wide availability of hormone treatments for those who can afford them, that they’re not having to rely on organisations like Planned Parenthood to provide the treatments on prescription -

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1247920

Exactly, it is a tiny proportion. Most people have never met a trans person, let alone taken time to talk with them, yet online everyone is an expert in how trans care needs to be delivered and how the "trans movement" corrupts defenseless babies. There are WHO recommendations, let's follow them and leave it at that.

To those (voltchica, looking at you) who say that "gays don't need care, but trans do, so we have the right to say how trans care is delivered", I can only say that we have the society and the civilization precisely to care for all members of society. Leaving aside that there is some gay-specific care (Gay Men's Health Service in HSE) actually.

If there is no (trans, gay, autism, maternity, whatever) care provided by the state, people with agendas will pick up the slack. Do you want the state to be in control of care, or do you want people to seek substandard help from quack doctors, or following advice from internet propagandists, with the state then having to deal with consequences from botched operations and the psychological damage later anyway?

And yet again you demonstrate your elitism and misogyny, whilst at the same time refusing to answer questions.

ALL female athletes are entitled to equal fair competition, not just elites. Do you disagree with this?

Whether trans athletes happen to compete at elite level or not is entirely irrelevant. If it is unfair for a transwoman to compete in the female sex category then it is unfair to all athletes in the female sex category, whatever level they compete at.

If it is unfair for a male sex athlete to compete in the female sex category in sports then 1 is 1 too many. The total number is irrelevant. You can't even tell me how many trans athletes compete at any level, elite or non-elite.

You clearly have no understanding of sports. You clearly have no understanding of fairness. You're clearly an elitist who only cares whether elite-level athletes are affected or not. It's shocking misogyny.

Please quote any post where I am fear-mongering, and if you can't then it would be good manners to withdraw that accusation. I have no fear of trans people. I certainly have no fear of your elitist misogyny, and am happy to call it out.

If you think endeavouring to ensure fairness in sport is "manufacturing outrage" then that certainly says a lot about you.

What is it you fear about fairness in sport? Why do you have this fear?

Indeed it should. If only you would start from this same point in all your arguments regarding transgenderism.