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Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    His (Peterson's) achievements are mainly in the comedy field...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I never said he chose to leave. He was kicked out for being a wing nut.


    Don’t give me this “wrongthink” nonsense. Have you ever seen even read Orwell? He was kicked out for being a bigot.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Peer review is very much so a part of the scientific process, results can be investigated and challenged in a public forum. Versus people claiming something and refusing to engage in any kind of scientific process. I think this is more a case of the results not suiting some people so being rejected.


    Meanwhile Peterson just makes outrageous statements to rile. Tends to appeal to the same people who will happily deny the likes of climate change.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Peterson isn’t a scientist. This may shock you, but he’s a doctor of psychology, not a medical doctor.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Psychologists / medical professionals don’t generally work for free. what are your qualifications to denounce it as crap ? :)

    Blindboy gives, mental health advice. All over the place… he says….for example… “How I will be building my emotional resilience this year. I explain three psychology concepts through the fable of the Lion with the Thorn in its paw… ...” he simply should not be doing that. But it’s part of his whole grift. That’s just one example…he says “ I’m not a psychologist “ ? Well he should be quiet and stop advising people on the subject and instead advocate for mental health and qualified professionals instead of ‘advising’ …..

    If I said having been at the dentist today.. “ how I devise or recommend procedures to clean tooth implants successfully and explain the best use of flossing and the best mouthwash to use… “ Id get reprimanded, criticised, carded whatever, and quite rightly. Absolutely….

    yet, some people are willing to give Blindboy a hall pass to lecture and advise on psychology while in the same post, criticising an experienced doctor of psychology… couldn’t make it up. Bizarre 🤷‍♂️

    Look, Peterson has a doctorate in clinical psychology…. He has the experience, awards, AND accredited education…

    the lad with the bag has a platform, a mouth and probably a couple a CBTs…



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If your life choices lead you to an all beef diet, peddling lies for a living, grifting, denying science and they culminating in you spending time in a methadone clinic, then you made crap life choices. It's really not complicated. Moving the goalposts won't change that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,153 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


     “How I will be building my emotional resilience this year. I explain three psychology concepts through the fable of the Lion with the Thorn in its paw… ...” he simply should not be doing that. 

    It is completely appropriate for him to be commenting on mental health topics as he does.

    He is on a private podcast, which people have to seek out in order to listen to. He categorically makes it clear that he is speaking on what is his opinion.

    He in no way seeks to profit from his advice or direct people to behave in a way that might be detrimental to qualified advice.

    It is ludicrous to suggest he should not be doing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You quoted my post but didn’t address the content..

    your reply is in fact disingenuous. Goalposts are where they always were, in fact you just put one in the back of your own net with that post…. Sorry. ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    you are incorrect.

    In addition….

    He is selling two of his books on his website…

    he requests people sign up and pay him money via patreon to access content…

    I don’t believe he should be doing it, despite what you think is ludicrous. ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,153 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're missing the point.

    He is entitled to make money and to sell his books. But he is not doing either on the basis that he is a source of medical guidance. That would be an issue, but it isn't.

    He sells his books and gets patreon memberships on the basis that people like his comedic/introspective/philosophical take on things. There is no confusion about his role or his intent.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There was no content, just the usual whinging whenever these weird objects of cult worship get criticised. The man's nothing more than a grifter. If criticising him arouses such strong emotion in you, that's your problem.

    We're done here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Small correction there. He requests people sign up on Patreon yes. But it is not to "access content" as you claim. The podcast content is free for everyone. You do not need to sign up to anything to access it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    you seem to be ignoring the fact that Peterson is no longer accredited.


    On top of that, he spends his time commenting on sociology, anthropology, climatology and politics. Subjects he’s no more qualified than me to comment on, but portrays himself as an expert.


    He also peddles online self help advice. No clinical psychologist worth his salt would do that.


    edit: on reflection. As an engineer, I’m actually more qualified to comment on climate science than him. At least I understand the empirical method.

    Post edited by Brian? on

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    His books are works of fiction, not self help books. Why shouldn’t he do that?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Peterson once said that he didn't feel qualified to comment on the complex mathematical modelling used to assess climate change. Of course, he quickly changed his tune once he realised he could pander to climate deniers.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Honestly, I have some mixed feelings about the chap.


    He started out with, what seemed like, a genuine motivation to help people. But after the pronoun thing, he descended deeper and deeper into the grift. I wonder sometimes if the benzo addictions actually changed his personality.


    His current behaviour and output are batshit crazy! Have you seen the cover of “Lilly the Pink”? Absolutely nuts.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I got 12 Rules. It was gibberish but it was before he devoted himself to climate denial, conspiracy theories and hatred of trans people. Harmless gibberish, in other words.

    I think he was genuine at the start but he seems to be a little unstable and that made him vulnerable to all of the poison he now spreads.

    Lily the Pink?

    Anyway, my favourite podcast, Origin Story have a two-parter about him. It should be worth a listen when I catch up to it.


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Haven’t a bulls notion. It’s all over the shop.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Blindboy gives, mental health advice. All over the place… he says….for example… “How I will be building my emotional resilience this year. I explain three psychology concepts through the fable of the Lion with the Thorn in its paw… ...” he simply should not be doing that. But it’s part of his whole grift. That’s just one example…he says “ I’m not a psychologist “ ? Well he should be quiet and stop advising people on the subject and instead advocate for mental health and qualified professionals instead of ‘advising’ …..

    maybe i'm being dim, but 'explaining a concept' is not something you need to have a professional qualification in. if someone here was to explain the young's slits concept to yo, would you claim they were doing something wrong if they did so without a PhD in physics?

    he's not offering diagnoses online.

    again, why does it matter that blindboy does not 'stay in his lane', but when peterson does it, it does not merit comment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭onrail


    So...at least you've made it clear that you've never actually listened to a full blindboy podcast...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Blindboy is is giving advice online through grifting / influencing . Without any qualifications. Peterson is an award winning doctor of Psychology…

    im not an oncologist but if I give advice it’s ok, about cancer, cancer treatments ? As long as it isn’t a diagnosis ? What ? 🙄

    I’ve never had cancer but I have had one serious long term condition that has been beaten and I never offered anyone advice quite simply.

    I’m not a healthcare practitioner and neither is Blindboy…. The difference between us is I may recommend people who do know about the condition and avenues of help that can be sought from professionals…

    im not sitting in front of a camera with a bag over my head or engaging in other media advising people about healthcare issues….

    you have a movement disorder… doctor / physio

    you have a skin disorder… dermatologist

    you have a psychological issue… psychologist, not….

    Blindboy.. an opinion on it and answers to questions nobody asked of him.

    the fact that people could criticise Peterson who has tangible education, awards, and achievements noted by peers and patients etc…on one hand yet laud the likes of Blindboy… mad…

    Blindboy is on record all over just the internet, giving advice, what you can do, what to do, what not to… so….



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    WTAF was that, like? It's like something a tech-savvy incel would make only it's a man in his actual sixties. A lot of it seems to be about putting non-white people in their place. It also features professional racist Douglas Murray.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭fplfan12345




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    At least one user has pointed out already - but you appear not to have taken it in - that there is a difference between "giving advice" and "explaining concepts". I have listened to half or less of his podcasts. But I have listened to all his mental health ones. And his output is not really "giving advice". Mostly he is either explaining what a concept is in the mental health domain - or he is describing how he implemented the concept in his own life and the effects it has had.

    To use your analogy to Cancer therefore he is not giving cancer diagnosis or telling people what cancer treatments to get. Rather he is explaining what a particular kind of cancer is, what the words used to describe the treatments mean, explaining what having that cancer felt like to him, and describing what the treatments were like for him.

    And there is zero reason I can see why he should not be doing this. Especially as actual mental health professionals - rather than nobodies with no qualifications on a message board - refer their patients to those podcasts to augment their treatment approach. He must be doing something right there somewhere in their trained eyes that your untrained eyes are missing. Though as he says himself it is a poor situation that our countries mental health system has reached a point where a random nobody like him becomes a resource on the matter. That's a supply chain issue.

    As someone who has in fact studied related areas to mental health and psychology - and who has a job that often requires I read released scientific papers on the subject on occasion - I can also tell you that he takes boring text book topics on the subject and renders them around a narrative that makes them quite accessible and understandable to the lay person on the street. So I can see why people would benefit from all of it too.

    You say he is "on record all over the internet giving advice". I can not speak to that as I only followed his podcast output on the subject. I do not know what he posts on Twitter for example. So it would be helpful if you could provide some references and citations to see this "giving advice" on "What to do and what not to do"? It is hard to discuss what he has said on the subject without knowing what you are referring to.

    All that said I simply do not get your issue with "Giving Advice" in the first place. You do not need qualifications to do this. People do it all the time and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. We have two forums on "Personal Issues" and "Relationship Issues" on this very forum where people give all kinds of suggestions and advice. I do it myself sometimes at great length. But because of people like Blindboy I am also very careful to give that advice along with comments like "This is what worked for me so I offer it as inspiration for things to try but if it does not work for you then try something else".

    And I do that because I know if someone is told something WILL help them and they try it and it does not help them that can be a depressive and cause people to think there is something wrong with them somehow. They think they must be broken if the advice does not help them like it helped the advice giver. So I always think it very important indeed to ensure people understand that there are many ways to deal with a mental health or life issue and all advice should be seen as things to try - on the path to trying everything until something works. And if one thing does not work that does not mean there is something wrong with them in the same way as just because a dinner recipe was tasty to me - the next person who tries it might not like it at all.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”Peterson is an award winning doctor of Psychology” - you keep repeating this and ignoring the points others make about Peterson. Why?


    In fact, one of the few Blindboy podcasts I did listen to he mentioned Peterson. I’m paraphrasing here, but he said “he knows a lot about psychology and when he talks about that he’s worth listening to, but it’s the rest of the stuff I object to”.


    It’s Peterson’s anti woke crusade that makes him a grifter, not his advice on psychology. The fact he’s a doctor of psychology is completely irrelevant when he starts talking about racism or the environment.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Did you read the YouTube comments? Sycophantic rubbish. One lad compares him to Monty Python. It’s absolutely insane.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I read one or two. The usual sucking up carry on.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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