Will Andy Farrell get the adoration Jack Charlton got?

Jack was Ireland manager for 10 years, Farrell about 4 years in charge of Ireland.

Jack managed a team in a sport multiples more competitive…

No for becoming a father at 16. Surely that makes him the ultimate lad?😝

If the new feckin Boards allowed me to multi-quote, this post would make more sense.

Speaking as a rugby fan, no. He will not get Jack Charlton status, because, football is universal, its so simple that you can play it anywhere, with anything. I remember playing "football" in the small concrete square outide the school using a crushed coke can as a ball.

I agree with 17togo, Jack Charlton did something for the country when it needed something. He brought hope after years of hopelessness.

Things are tough at the moment in ireland, rising living costs, but plenty of jobs around. Yes accomodation is bat-shyte crazy but life is manageable. From what Ive been told of the 80's there was no hope of anything good happening, and Jack, brought something good.

As Oliver Callan or somebody said, "All we had was Maurice Pratt, Pat the Baker and Philomena Begley"

No song yet so. Were all part of Jackie's army.

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You dislike the armchair fans, the over the top media attention, nowadays aka the media. You dislike the elitism - I dont get why trying to be the best is a bad thing, but ok. Johnny Sexton is Rugby's answer to Roy Keane. Top of his class and can be a prick when he wants to be. I think you'll find that in all sports.

If we get to a final then yes. Only about ten countries are good at rugby

You are not comparing like with like.

The Ireland rugby team supporters have a superiority complex with expectations of winning the tournament with good players.

The Ireland football team of that era had an infreiority complex despite good players.

We hadn't a hope of winning in football but every win was a success.

Irish Rugby is at peak world class currently. Expectations are much higher so Andy Farrell will never achieve cult status.

He won't but he should, I'm not a Rugby fan, but I have been watching the games, it is great to see an Irish team being successful.

Its maybe not politically correct to say this but GAA has an impact too. In Spain, Italy, Brazil, etc there is one sport* - football. As a small country our elite sports people are divided between Gaelic Football, Football, Hurling, and Rugby.

*Yes, I know they have other sports in those countries

Soccer and rugby are very different. Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales are all ranked in the top 7 in the world in rugby. And those other three teams are considered to be on relatively bad form in recent times. But given that the sport is barely played to any real degree outside of these isles and some other countries you can count on one hand, it's barely imaginable for Ireland to drop out of the top 8.

Whereas in soccer, there are dozens upon dozens of competitive teams. Sure, there are 10ish "superpowers" that almost always win, but that's because the bar is so high at the top, not because other countries don't play. Also it's a major stretch to say the top teams in soccer and rugby are the same. As I mentioned, Wales and Scotland are near the top in rugby and nowhere in soccer. And where are Germany, Brazil, Spain, Holland etc in rugby?

Even getting into the top 50 in the world in soccer is a good achievement for a country the size of Ireland, never mind getting to a world cup quarter final.

Jack Charlton was a huge part of the cultural zeitgeist of Ireland at the time.

Andy Farrell hasn't even emulated Joe Schmidt yet.

And if they lose on Saturday then he will just be yet another Ireland rugby manager who won a 6 nations but couldn't cut it at the big boys table.

If he does win the world cup, he still won't emulate Charlton because the world isn't like that anymore, a week later the event junkies will have moved on to the next bandwagon and Farrell will be yesterdays news.

That's very true

It was a different era.

If Charlton came along in this day and age and got a team that had never qualified for anything to a Euros and world cup I don't think he would even get the adulation he got back then.

No chance a rugby coach or team gets it.

Were all part of Andy’s army!

If Ireland win the Rugby World Cup he's guaranteed to get a yearly slot on The Late Late show.

So it's not all good news.

Pointless discussion right now.

Jack took the Irish team to places it had never even been close to before.

Andy has taken the Irish team to where they have almost always gotten to. They are in the last 8 out of 9 teams, the absolute bare minimum expected of an Irish rugby team.

Maybe in a few weeks, it might be a bit of a discussion, but if Ireland lose next weekend, then Andy is going to be very quickly forgotten.

On reading the title, I immediately wondered had Kenny been sacked.

We're 35 years on from the Charlton era, the Country is basically a different Universe than the Italia 90 I remember as a 14 year old.

1990 was the emergence of the Country from the economic doldrums, unemployment, emigration, greyness. The football team became a totem, a beacon of hope.

Thats just not needed now and rugby isn't as universal as soccer was and is.

And so if Ireland won the rugby world cup, it would be a massive achievement by the players and coaches and the model that the IRFU have developed and got behind, but would it be life changing for the citizenry of Ireland? No.