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Drivers behaviour on roads

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭creedp


    There would often be if you're coming up behind a chap cruising at 80kph. No issue though as it could just as easy be a chappie towing a trailer.

    Doesnt mean that it wouldnt cause frustration though. Doesnt justify tailgating however. Having said that though its possible the OP is a little oversensitive about being tailgaited given that s/he is probably conscious of holding people up



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    The OP sounds like the guy who is obsessed with Americian media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Oh I think I ended up behind that guy, was doing 40km/h on an unlit 100km/h limit N road somewhere around Roscommon

    In the middle of the night, with his daytime lights on 😬

    Actually, I'm starting to think I was driving behind the OP 😂

    I was still driving the Toyota back then so I must have tailgated them and flashed my lights because apparently that's what petrol drivers do 😏

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Nah, they haven't mentioned anyone getting shot yet

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    You miss the point.

    Simple physics means that for almost any wheeled vehicle driving at 80km/h is going to be cheaper than driving at 120km/h

    So assuming One does not have a high flying job where minutes count, does it not make sense to go at a lower speed providing it is not unsafe and does not unduly obstruct?

    80km/h Vs 120km/h in simple terms means that it will save money whatever the fuel or time of charging, it's safer. I will never forget the surprise I had when doing the limit on the M1 once and encountered someone in front of me parked up in the LH lane presumably counting their money a km or so from the toll.


    People do not act responsibly on motorways, simple they may be, but there is always the unexpected. Slower allows more time to react.

    Seeing the maximum speed limit as something to aim for as a matter of course is purely and simply wrong.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, as above, you'd save more money by sticking to 80 in an ice car than you would in a petrol car; though for (some) EV drivers the rationale might be down more to range anxiety than cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I often wonder what the insulation is like. There seems to be no clear information on the power needed for heating or air con, I doubt that the waste heat from I^2 R losses amounts to much in an efficient motor these days?

    I wonder also what will happen when the honeymoon period is over and the governments want to claw back taxes?

    Will EV charging points have separate meters, or will they have someone paint the electrons destined for none road traffic use :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Waiting for the first w@nker to mention "road craft".



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,306 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They're really not for long distance driving and are only suitable as a 2nd car for the school run and pottering about the suburbs.

    The batteries will also be badly degraded after 5 years and you'll have to pay upwards of €10,000 out of warranty to get them replaced.

    And don't get me started on the risk of them spontaneously combusting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    You're moving the goalposts. Higher speeds use more energy, that's obvious. Additionally, I really don't see how high flying jobs have to do with anything pertaining to this. I suggest you stick to the facts. People will want to do the limit and it's not up to other drivers to dictate what they do on the road. That's what the police are for. Again, driving at 80 is fine but don't be a traffic dictator and trying to govern others' speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    No, sensitive as to the fact that the person behind is too dim to realise that they have no time to react even at 80 and they cannot build up speed to overtake safely when the traffic eases.

    If someone is tailgating you, the only safe solution is to slow down and let him get past. They will only ever see your rear bumper and are not concentrating on the road.

    The two second rule does not get much of a mention these days, but it is a lifesaver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    I never said that driving at a slower pace in more hazardous conditions was dangerous and I don't know how you got that from my post. And the risk associated with very high speed driving goes far beyond simply "one's inability to quickly control a vehicle"; indeed in Germany, even in unrestricted autobahns, drivers doing over a certain speed who are involved in an accident will be charged with creating an unsafe environment on the road even if the crash wasn't actually their fault. If you really can't see the obvious elevated risk attached to large speed differentials (plus or minus) there's not really much I can do - and of course while drivers should react correctly to such hazards, the reality is some won't and this is eminently foreseeable.

    Mod Note: Snip, no need to bring post history from other forums into thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    can electric cars not do 100Km/h?

    Unless its a very old Prius?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Mine can do 160, allegedly 😁

    I can confirm that it does 120 on the motorway quite regularly, although I personally prefer 110 because the ride is a bit smoother and quieter. If I'm overtaking I'll go up to 120

    I think in the two years of ownership I've back off the speed to conserve energy twice, from 110 to 100

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Absolute uninformed drivel!!!! This view has been shown to be inaccurate more times than I can count in here.... Unless you are trolling and I have taken the bait!

    On the tailgating thing for the OP; "Leaf Speed" was and probably still is a phenomenon on the roads whereby it was owners of limited range Leafs, at the time, who would travel at 80kph on the motorways to preserve what little range they had remaining. Motorways have multiple lanes for the very purpose of overtaking slower moving vehicles, so unless the OP is hogging the overtaking lane then the tailgating behaviour of other drivers is just bad form IMO. In my case, I travel at 100kph on the motorway unless I am in a hurry. This speed ensures I am not holding up trucks or busses going about their business and means I can make reasonable progress while keeping the overtaking lane free for those who wish to travel faster. Not once have I been tailgated doing this and I have done it in ICE and EVs for years.

    Only advice I would give to the OP when driving on the motorway would be to increase your speed to 90kph. You will notice a decrease in tailgating and it will have a negligible effect on power consumption for your EV (if your overall aim is to preserve your charge level).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think he was trolling, and you took the bait 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,794 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    There is absolutely something wrong with going slow on motorways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    If you're going at 80k on a motorway you really should be using the national roads



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    A driver who can't handle a vehicle ahead of them that's travelling at a legal limit for a particularly class that is also allowed on that road should not be trusted with a driving licence.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    also as mentioned, a driver who can't handle a vehicle that's *stopped* ahead of them on a motorway should not be trusted with a licence.

    can someone give me a context in which (short of a motorist swerving across into a different lane, etc.) a motorist doing 80+ km/h who rear ends a motorist doing 80 (or themselves have to swerve across lanes to avoid the rear ending) would not be found liable for a collision?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Again, posters making blanket statements about someone's abilities without any evidence or backup.

    Why, in your view, should they not be using a motorway? What is the minimum speed at which someone should be travelling in order to use a motorway and for what reason is this figure the minimum speed required?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's funny. we're fond of bemoaning poor driving in ireland, poor discipline on the motorway, lack of policing etc.

    but then you read threads like this where people are berated for driving in a reasonable manner, and it's them who is causing the danger, not the people who cannot be trusted to drive within the conditions on a motorway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Miscreant




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    It's the condition of his battery, driving slow to conserve battery.

    Personally I think it's a combination of factors, possibly age, ability, contrariness

    In my mind he is the type of snail with white knuckles rather than the snail going weeeeeeeee on a tortoise 🐢



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭rocky


    I drive an EV and am the one doing the tailgating if you're sitting in my fasht lane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Well if I was behind him I'd be perfectly calm however the cars behind me [thousands of them] will start getting impatient and then stupid things start happening like undertaking



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    This thread has turned into a joke. For some reason, the vast majority of posters in here cant cope with driving slower on a motorway. All i have heard so far are ICE drivers claiming that 80kmh on a motorway is dangerous (which it isn't), but at the same time excuse tailgating (which is real the issue).

    Yer excuses for tailgating are ridiculous, pure copium:

    ·      Do I know how to use my car properly?

    ·      My driving is the cause.

    ·       Maybe you should stay of the motorway

    ·      Its my ego or I'm entitled

    ·      I should be reported to the Gardai for dangerous driving

    And not to mention general abuse and insults

    Listen to yourselves, such an embarrassment😮. A good portion of you probably have penalty points too. Made my point for me also, anger issues galore in here. A friend told me once that this forum has been hijacked by angry little petrol heads. I didn't believe him at the time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Or they can choose to safely overtake, no biggie



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,254 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    If you find a vehicle doing 80 on a motorway, where there's at least two lanes, a hindrance, you should resit your test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Your original thread title was abusive against cyclists and now you're the one claiming that you're being abused?

    Hypocritical much? 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    You seem to be getting a bit agitated - like other road users seem to get with you while driving. Have you considered the reasons why people flash you, beep you and abuse you? What are they saying when they abuse you at lights?

    It's highly unusual to get frequent flashing, beeps and abuse in my experience. As in, it's happened a few times in 15+ years driving but probably not this year and never frequently. A little introspection might be helpful before blaming everyone else.

    Also, grouping posters / ICE drivers / EV drivers /cyclists into homogenous groups who you think behave the same is an unreasonable and unhelpful generalisation. There are great, average and poor road users in every group.

    There's no need to tailgate, and there's no need to drive faster than 80km on a motorway. I pass people toddling along the M11 at that speed all the time. Why are you the special one that gets tailgated, flashed, beeped and abused?



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    I'm reading these posts and finding it all a bit ridiculous.

    Of course 80kph is a safe and respectable speed on a motorway where all drivers are paying attention with due respect and consideration for other road users.

    80kph can become problematic when the outside lane is packed with bozos doing 90-100 kph and happy to sit there in convoy without pulling over when appropriate.

    And then there's the M50 where I witness pure insanity on a daily basis.

    This morning's outstanding escapade involved a low-sprung 2011 Lexus-equipped boy-racer ducking and diving to gain yards, accelerating hard while undertaking, traversing all 4 lanes to use the exit lane to gain another few yards, climbing all over the steering wheel to convey his urgency to anyone who might notice. All this in very poor visibility caused by lashing rain/spray.

    Funnily enough 80kph seems to be the optimum speed for heavy M50 traffic as there is very little concertina effect and that speed can be maintained evenly throughout the entire journey, incidents.

    I believe research in the UK has also shown 50mph to be the optimum speed on busy motorways for the same reason.

    BTW, I like to travel at a fair lick and get quite annoyed at the thoughtless, careless, and downright dangerous driving that I see on a daily basis.

    But 80kph cannot be considered a dangerous/selfish speed along the inner lane of a motorway. To suggest that it is betrays a spectacular ignorance of the law and general conduct appropriate to driving conditions.

    There has never been a shortage of idiots on Boards but this thread has some shining examples of the species!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Obviously the guy with his hands behind his head is just relaxing,

    The OP might only be concerned with the guy behind him, there probably is a long long que of others behind them both, you only need 1 person to slip up, all for the sake of some idiot trying to make his car go an extra few kms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭creedp


    Hard to take this seriously now. Just a wind up trying to set ICE drivers against EV drivers IMO. May as well be slagging off BMW/Audi drivers. Drive on lad and ignore the begruders, they're probably jealous of your EV just as loads are jealous of my sporty L30🤣🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Hehe, and the Gardai say no injuries reported. Maybe they should have included 'yet'!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the lad in the white van will need a medicinal does of stiff whiskey anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭kirving


    First thing that came to mind for being flashed was, do you have your lights on?

    On a bright, but wet day with spray, "Auto" lights on many cars, (but EV's in particular I notice) often do not activate the rear lights with the wipers.

    Secondly, are you doing an actual 80km/h, or 80km/h as indicated by your speedometer? In the latter case, you could be doing closer to 75.


    While it is of course legal to do 80km/h, if you're doing so without good reason, you're a fairly terrible driver. Range anxiety doesn't cut it - you should plan better.

    The reason for that view is that when on a motorway, other drivers who are doing the limit should not have to brake or accelerate to accommodate you. Drivers behind you are closing at 40+km/h, and have half the time to move to the outer lane, than if you were doing above 100km/h like 95% of other traffic. You are the outlier at 80km/h.

    If you were going faster, the other drivers would just have to lift off, have double the amount of time to react, and pass you easily without braking.

    Yes it is the responsibility of other drivers to do this, but you're causing almost every single other driver on the road, including busses and trucks to take action to accommodate your own bad planning.

    Think of it as standing in the middle of a supermarket door, having a chat with a group of friends. Not illegal, but you'll piss off absolutely everyone who has to squeeze past you.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The people calling out that 80km/h on a motorway was dangerous are pretty regular posters here who are known to drive EVs, I put that down to where you chose to post rather than any particular type of driver. There were just as many known EV drivers going the other way and saying that dealing with people travelling at 80km/h or slower is a basic driving skill.

    As to the tail gaiting nobody particular focused on it other than yourself. It was your contention that your constantly flashed and beeped at that was the most incredulous and caused the most challenges. If it's truly happening as often as you claim then there is either something very wrong with your car or your driving. People clearly feel it's important enough to get your attention.

    Your posts and style come across as an attempt to stir up a culture war, I don't think it's going to happen. The EV section of the motors forum is mostly populated by car enthusiasts who happen to appreciate electrified drivetrains.



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    My thread title was satirical, not abusive. I'm not surprised you cant tell the difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭fits




  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    I wont be accepting your biased commentary as it completely ignores/excuses tailgating as a stand alone hazard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans




  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Awfully low IQ argument you are trying to make. In no universe does a front car cause 8 cars to collide behind. The only culprit here is ignoring the 2 second rule.

    Do better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    ICE, is an abbreviation for Internal Combustion Engine, that would include petrol engines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Normally satire is supposed to have an element of comedy 😝

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    Well to be honest if someone was aware of a tailgater flashing from behind that would put his driving skills well beyond most.

    Pulling in slowly and clearly indicated for an emergency vehicle to pass a few cars behind is a fairly hilarious display of those that drive in blissful ignorance of what's behind when the five or six cars between me and the Garda car in Nass and ambulance in Tralee overtook me and sailed past.

    80km/h is not an unsafe speed, whatever the vehicle. 80km/h if not overtaking something yet not in the LH lane is likely to be a cause of annoyance. Certainly in the UK someone doing sixty MPH in anything but the LH lane without overtaking or any other reason would be stopped for a "pep" talk by the police.

    I have seen little evidence that more than a small number of car drivers here bother with any form of motorway lane discipline though.



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