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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Posts: 3,330 [Deleted User]


    Those idiots really could do with getting themselves onto a bike and enjoying a nice leisurely cycle to relax themselves a bit.

    We have an awful lot of very stupid people in this country, which is remarkable given our free and well regarded education system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The same ebb and flow in traffic through Fairview that has been happening for the last 30 years I've been going through Fairview?

    Maybe we should ask ourselves who is making this increase in traffic "when the schools return"? Everyone in school in the D3 / D1 area is travelling no more than a KM or 1.5KM to school tops. Very walkable distances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    A lot would be mums and dads who can cycle/bus/dart to work themselves when it's just them in the summer, but in the school term when you have to drop kids a different direction in the morning, it requires a car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    What's the beef with free parking in the suburbs? If there's space for it on the roads, car parks etc, why does it matter if it's paid or not?

    I had an apartment in a suburb a few years back that visitors even had to pay for street parking if they called over for a visit in the evening, no problem with demand at that hour, there were loads of space



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Why does it "require" a car and how do people who don't own a car manage?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    They plan schools/commutes that don't require cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,371 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Which, in urban and suburban areas, is most school runs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Gaz


    A lot of final top surface being layed since yesterday, we should have the majority of the inbound route complete soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,371 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    are they replacing water pipes on the outbound sections too? there seems to be a lot of pipeage lying around!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,379 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Why is there this presumption that everyone can cycle? That everyone is able to walk an extra 300 metres to a bus stop? That anyone who cannot and has the temerity to complain about a severe deterioration in their environment is some sort of crank?

    Where is the support from cyclists for reinstating the bus stops on North Strand which have been replaced with new car parking spaces?



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There have been pages and pages and pages of discussion on the bus stop issues.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,379 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I know there has been discussion, but little support.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Why is there this presumption that everyone can cycle?

    Who has presumed this?

    That everyone is able to walk an extra 300 metres to a bus stop?

    Who has presumed this?

    That anyone who cannot and has the temerity to complain about a severe deterioration in their environment is some sort of crank?

    Again, who said this?

    Where is the support from cyclists for reinstating the bus stops on North Strand which have been replaced with new car parking spaces?

    Strangely direct question: why are you asking about support from people who cycle and not asking why drivers aren't supporting it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,682 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    what do you want, cyclists out on North Strand with placards? You can't even get most cyclists out to campaign for cycle lanes. Where are the users of this bus stop, why aren't they out protesting or contacting their local reps?

    The reality is no one is going to go to any effort over a bus stop they don't use. Blame the council for this decision, it's not something any cycling advocates asked for.



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What have you done to address the issue since plans were released several years ago?

    How many protests have you organised?

    How many meetings have you had with officials involved and which officials were in attendance?

    What responses did you receive when you raised the issue?

    How many of the local community did you speak to about it?

    How much support did you generate to highlight the issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Several years ago? The bus stop placement and removal certain bus stops was only announced in Aug 2022 after works had already commenced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,371 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Like how many people will not be able to get to a bus stop because of this? 3 or 4 at most?

    Anyway isn't it the fault of whoever insisted on keeping parking spaces instead of a bus stop?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Indeed, the project only really affects me positively, but even I can see how they really handled the removal of bus stops in an underhanded way. First mention of them removing bus stops came after the works had started, with no major notice or consultation on those particular bus stops being removed. A lot of the people in the area are unaware as well, as there was no letter drop spelling out what was happening, only an online notice on the twitter, and even then that wasn't super clear either.

    Massively support the need for this project, but the way that these removals have come about has left a sour taste in my mouth, and I'd say it might cause problems on the BusConnects infrastructure projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Jayuu



    The restructuring of the bus stops on North Strand road is a bit odd all right because it's resulted in the two stops between Newcommen Bridge and Connolly coming closer together at the expense of longer distances on either side. Thgat goes for both inbound and outbound routes. For my commute the change is actually an improvment but I can see why a lot of people on the far side of Newcommen Bridge would be annoyed by this especially in the manner in which they were introduced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I can't claim to know everyone living on North Strand north of Newcomen Bridge, but one friend of mine lived in a property there with up to 15 others until recently. 2 bunk beds in her room so 4 people max per room. Apparently none were from Ireland, several from Brazil and others from all around the world. She wasn't personally aware that the bus stop wouldn't be replaced, and had accepted that walking from north Strand fire station would be the new norm.

    Most people there apparently walked or took the bus, there being no space for bikes inside or space/safety for bikes outside.

    Anecdotes aside, the H-spine of buses that serve most of the route will now not have a stop between 5 lamps and Store Street, making connections with Connolly Station very difficult instead of a trivial walk. It's an abject failure of planning and basic public transport concepts established for over 100 years by the likes of UERL (London Underground predecessor)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    The connection of the 53 with Connolly is absurd now too with a stop pretty much outside the petrol station/failte ireland offices. No doubt this new stop will better align with the new Preston Street Dart entrance to Connolly, but how long do we need to wait for that to be built given that planning permission for it is in limbo with APB?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,805 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It’s the same outbound - the H Spine routes now don’t stop from outside Busaras on Beresford Place until just before the Five Lamps.

    It’s a crazy gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,235 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They really really really don't want to open the new cycle lanes inbound. Large parts of the route look finished but have barriers every 100 metres or so blocking them for what appears no good reason.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    It’s like they’re stringing the job out on purpose. Loads of bits left unfinished, couple of guys working here and there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,235 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I've given up trying to make sense of it anymore.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    Well today just after the fire station inbound they were digging up the newly installed kerb stones that were recently laid. And the nice new tarmac as well. The minister of bicycles Ryan will be gone from office by the time it’s finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    And not an area you would like to walk through. Certainly not after dark.

    Much safer driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,371 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    This was planned way before ER ever got into government. It's amazing how everyone is putting some kind of blame on him for the continuing roadworks. They're probably digging something up because they f**ked up some wires or waterworks. All Eamon's fault of course and there'll be no more cycle lanes or carbon tax, or wind energy, or anything of the likes after the next election.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    I assumed the bike brigade would comment on my reference to the minister for bicycles. My comment made reference to him with reference to his time left in office. As come the next election the Green vote will fall off the edge. You’re quite possibly correct about them messing up something but in this day & age mistakes similar to your reasoning shouldn’t happen. The Clontarf Road cycle path (kerbs) opposite Bay Restaurant was twice laid in the wrong place and had to be broken up and re installed twice. Rookie mistake.



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