Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

Howth Road, Malahide Road and Clontarf?.... none of these should be seen as "main arteries" for the city. Very few people from these areas should be commuting in the mornings by car.

In any case, it's been one lane inbound at Fairview for the duration of works and inbound traffic has not been materially worse, especially given the level of active works ongoing and long diversions in place.

The Howth Road is absolutely not a "main artery" into the city. The Swords Road or N4/N7 roads are examples of main arteries. The Malahide road is closest to an artery.

The Clontarf coast road and Howth Road are basically local city roads which are served by a high frequency Dart line, as well as multiple bus routes. That's the reality.

We were discussing Fairview. Is outbound as far as Annesley even considered Fairview? Surely that's North Strand?

The point is that along by Fairview Park inbound, historically was two lanes. One towards Amiens St., and one towards Ballybough. This traffic will now have to share a single lane.

But at the moment, with the temp works that's what they have to do anyway. With only one (legal) route at the end, towards Ballybough.

Fingers crossed they will see sense and remove and outbound lane from Annesley House to Malahide Road. There is no additional major source of traffic between these two points, noting that Alfie Byrne Road is also there as an alternative.

A central isle with trees and flowers, like many other streets, would be lovely along here and would be a bridge between Fairview Strand and the park itself.

Absolutely. And from what I know of people actually living in Fairview, many are calling for more crossing facilities and space etc on Fairview Strand. Granted, they seem to work from home and aren't heavily affected by the removal of bus stops either.

I should add that the proposed changes will have little effect on overall capacity because there was always a bottleneck as far as private vehicles were concerned (at North Strand Fire Station). Edge's corner will be interesting as far as traffic management is concerned though.

The people who live there don’t want it like that. It’s the people that just use it to pass through who want to keep it all for traffic lanes, don’t want trees and don’t care about improved services.

One lane, in each direction, is absolutely fine along Fairview Strand. Compare this to any other road heading across the canals into the city. Most are already one lane and the remainder will be fully cut off from private car traffic or reduced to one lane.

The only thing this proves is that you can't please everyone!

The one thing I will say about commuting through this area is that currently it's unpleasant for everyone!!

I've travelled through that area by Car, bicycle and on foot.. In the car it's slow and tense with everyone squeezing into different traffic lanes, the battle to get the left up the Malahide road cos of everyone cutting into the bus lane early.... on the bicycle it's a Death Race trying to avoid being steamrolled by Busses cars and vans... by foot the diesel fumes choke you, the noise and dust off all the vehicles... On the Bus is SLOW and being on a jam packed Bus surrounded by allsorts makes a Ryanair flight seem like 1st class...

Agreed that the design of the outbound Fairview to Malahide Road has been a complete nightmare for a long while.

Looking at the drawings while it won't be radically different, in that you'll still have a left turn Malahide Road lane, the outbound bus lane, and Clonarf lane, by having the cycle lane completely segregated up to the junction it will make it a lot safer for cyclists on the junction especially those going for Howth/Fairview.

Jesus Christ my blood pressure is so high right now after reading the Dublin City Council Facebook posts and comments thereunder. Every one of them obsessed with lycra and how dangerous this cycle route is and how it's ruining the city and all cyclists are evil maniacs. Most people are just f**king idiots is the only conclusion I can come to.

I just can't help myself sometimes 😭