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Should RTE stop airing Father Ted?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Is that true? Genuine qestion. I havent followed any of that stuff. Very sad if true.

    What's his obsession with trans people? Such a niche topic to get obsessed over. The tweets posted earlier looks like plain old conspiracy theory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    His style of comedy wouldn't really work with a complex topic. He makes pretty blunt jokes. He signposts the joke and then tells the joke. Fr Ted is funny but it's not subtle. I think if he did a show about trans stuff, it would look like a sketch of a mincing twinkle-toed gay character from the 80s. I doubt it would work and it would be totally out of step with society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Blazing saddles punches up. It's making fun of the racists, not the black people in it. Sure the language probably wouldn't be used today but the theme still would.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I remember reading that a while back. It makes sense given how much time he was spending on Twitter abusing people.

    Niche isn't an impediment it would seem. There's people on this site and various reregs obsessed with it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    They dont get that. The people who oppose woke would have hated Blazing Saddles when it came out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You forgot to add in that Autistic teens are being brainwashed into believing their trans. (Which as someone who was an autistic teen I find an incredibly offensive view to have. We're autistic, not idiots).

    And apparently it's a "Social contagion" so if a teen sees anything about being trans, they'll believe they are trans, along with all their friends, and then they'll all have their willies/breasts chopped off.

    Also the trans the gay away myth. I love that one. Apparently it's socially acceptable to be trans. Trans people are loved and face no discrimination. So the parents are gay and lesbian teenagers try to make their children trans because it's less embarrassing to have a trans child than a lesbian/gay one.


    I can understand some people having concern about medical treatment and children but some of the conspiracy theories Linehan has peddled are just bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    How do you know that, were you living with them at the time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There is no such thing as punching up or punching down in comedy, funny is funny.


    The idea that mocking people should only go in one direction in comedy is bullshit but an idea beloved by those idiots who seem to think comedy has some sort of social responsibility when it's just about making people laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    He was invited to address a parliamentary committee last year. And he said it there. He said it was unfortunate and maybe someday they'd understand that the reason he was doing it was for them. So yeah, his family left him because of his obsession with tans people. He's so obsessive that it actually ruined his marriage.

    I'm sure that there are people who are anti trans who are happily married. Imagine how far you'd have to go to lose your wife and child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    His (now former) brother in law was screaming at him on Twitter to put his phone down and spend time with his family.

    I'm sure that was incidental though.

    Post edited by RonanG86 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Given trans people fall into the "protected characteristics" category of the proposed legislation and you are clearly adamant that he has "hatred" for them - then surely you would like to see him arrested if the law is brought in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    I mean it's well established that 'trans-affirming care' means slicing people's bits off straight away and force feeding them hormone blockers if they present in any way unsure of their gender identity, isn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's very sad. But it happens with all kinds of conspiracy theories. I've listened to. Few really good podcasts about Qanon and the January 6th riots and a recent BBC one about conspiracy theories in the UK and Europe. Losing family and friends is unfortunately very common in conspiracy theories.

    I came across some really interesting info about paedophile movements that cropped up around the time gay people were given some long overdue rights. Roughly the 80s I think. Whenever there's a broad movement, you have lots of factions pushing in broadly the same direction. So when they win recognition they all think their specific interest has won. So when the gays won recognition, the few bad eggs and paedos amongst them thought they had won recognition too. So they pushed for reduced or abolished age of consent. But it didn't go anywhere.

    Luckily we've reached a position where being gay is fine and they are held to the same normal standards as everyone else (consenting adults etc). But it's a cautionary tale that you can agree whole heartedly with some aspects of a movement but shouldn't blindly go along with everything.

    I, for example, am basically fine with trans people being trans. No skin off my nose. They should have equal treatment In law and work and social status as everyone else. They're adults and they can make their own decisions. Trans children are a bit different because they're not adults and aren't as free to make their own decisions. I don't have a strong opinion on it because I know it's complex and I know I don't understand it.

    If there are paedos in the trans movement (there are likely to be some because its a broad group of people) then I'd treat them the same way we treat everyone else by investigating any crimes and taking appropriate action. I wouldn't assume all trans activists are paedos and I wouldn't let any trans paedos away with anything just because I'm generally fine with trans rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I remember people in my fathers age group saying gay people were ok but you wouldn't let a gay person near children. It was too great a risk.

    And I remember when there was a movement talking about telling kids it was ok to be gay, people said it was all about gay men convincing children they were gay so they could abuse them. The idea of that is just bizarre to us. That anyone could have told us when we were teenagers that we were gay (Unless of course you happened to be). At a time when a girl walking past was making me blush, there's not a hope any amount of "convincing" could have made me think men were attractive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I believe you are talking about the North American Man Boy Love Association. or NAMBLA as it was better known.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I didn't realise that NAMBLA joke was based on real organisations. But it seems it was. Glad it stayed a joke.

    I don't always trust people's opinions but it seems there is absolute no desire to make paedophilia legal. With that in mind, it makes GL's paedo trans obsession sound like Alex Jones or QAnon conspiracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This is it. I remember that sentiment about Gay people too.

    Isn't it interesting that so many of the anti gay or anti trans people seem to take for granted that you can choose to be gay or straight, trans or cis? A big part of me wonders if we should take them at their word and maybe they are only straight by act of will rather than by nature.

    There was a guy in the Front Line audience around the time of the gay marriage referendum and he said the Catholic Church position on gay marriage ensured the survival of our species... like if men weren't constantly reminded not to bang each other, then that's obviously what they'd do. Maybe that guy would have, but the straight people would just be attracted to the opposite sex regardless of what the Catholics say about it

    The lack of self awareness is very sad to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    A better question is ... why should we even care about Graham Linehan's opinions ... why should they even be known/reported ?? .. Linehan is just the writer of a TV comedy series called Father Ted that was popular with college students in the 1990s ... he also wrote the less remembered Val Falvey TD too ... Linehan's opinions are not coming from someone who is standing for public office and if I were him I would stick to writing comedies rather than trying to be controversial for the sake of it ...

    Personally I have enough of these types having their say on any old thing that is controversial ... if they can be silenced I won't stand in the way ... they are full of their own self importance and they are not as 'talented' as they claim they are ... Linehan only had one iconic show ... other stuff he did like Val Falvey were drivel ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    My position on paedophiles is a bit nuanced. If any of them act on it, including watching abuse material, they should be locked up. Preferably in a facility where they can get treatment.

    But the thing that gets me is that we don't know how many are out there that aren't predatory. I remember reading an article by a guy who said he was attracted to children. He said he had no desire to ever abuse a child, but he was attracted to them. He wasn't attracted to adults. He said that finding treatment was hard because of the stigma attached. Plus he could never have a romantic attraction with an adult.

    I do think we should have dedicated anonymous treatment for those kind of people. It can't be a good life. But once again, anyone who has offended should be locked up.

    But all if this is separate from the issue here which is trans people. Trans people aren't abusers. I've never seen any evidence which suggests that trans people, of either gender provide a higher level of danger to people or children than cis people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    If we see the death of irresponsible free speech alongside the death of verbal bullying, dissemination of conspiracy theory rags like G O'Doherty's the Irish Light and the end to terrorist-influencing far right ideas ... then that is something we should celebrate ... there are certain individuals who are dangerous with regard to what comes out of their empty hate filled heads ....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I get that. It's not about liking what they represent but if they want help to make sure they never hurt a child then we're kinda on the same side on that issue. Much better to hold your nose and set up help for them rather than leaving them to their own devices. It depends on whether you'd prefer to express disgust for them or ensure children are not harmed. I'd side with protecting the children.

    Bit you're right, it's off topic. I've never really seen any stats that trans people are deviants either. I presume that if trans people were paedos then the anti trans people would tell us about it. The old adage, if the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither aren't your side, pound the table. All I really see is a a lot of table pounding about the trans lads and no real evidence that there's anything to worry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    As regards Father Ted not being shown ... I don't think it matters if it is or not ... perhaps it should be shown to remind people of how fickle Linehan is ... in the 1990s he was writing a comedy for college kids taking aim at the corrupt and backwards church .. which was dominated by strict social laws and perverted clergy not to mention financial scandals ... and 30 years later he is ironically promoting a hardline Catholic style stance on social issues ... methinks this man has no opinion of his own but is happy to pander to progressive 1990s college students 30 years ago and to religious zealots in the 2020s ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The issue here is not GL, Father ted, trans or gay people - it's about legislation being brought in to shut people down. A pedophile, a bigot, a transphobe - do you think shutting them up will solve anything? If you want to steer clear of people you don't agree with, then shutting them up is the last thing you should want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭AlanG


    It is possible that Fr. Ted will have to be pulled once the hate speech leglsiation passes anyway. Once someone feels it promotes hate on the basis of religion then, according to the government it will be in breech of the legislation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, it isn't. It's comments like this that makes it hard to have serious discussion here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    He didn’t write val falvey

    and please stop posting , I’ve read two of your posts and they are ignorant of facts and basic comedy knowledge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think you are overthinking it.

    Linehan felt antipathy towards Catholics and what they stood for so he mocked them. He was lucky that his stance aligned so perfectly with others - he helped to discover an Ireland that just under the surface was full of angry atheists who wanted organised religion placed in the rubbish bin of history. He had perfect timing.

    He probably then thought he could mock anyone he liked and get away with it. But he's now found out that's not the case.

    What's interesting is people still see Linehan as having bravely "punched up" at Bishops even though the Catholic Church was not nearly as powerful by 1995 as people now like to make out. Effectively lots of Irish people had already become atheists since the 1960s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Gl is a hatemongering bigoted scumbag. End of story.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Odd behaviour? Spending all your daily life obsessing about trans people Is a lot lot worse than "odd behaviour"

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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