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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I plan on watching that video, but all Tesla's now have the CCS protocol in them.

    If the NACS is pin compatible with CCS and a simple adapter will allow current ccs cars to work with an adapter, it will catch on very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    He made a very good point about that in the video regarding passive cooling

    Basically Tesla kinda get away with ignoring the conventional current limits on their conductors by having temperature sensors at strategic locations (in the plug and car, among others)

    But if there's now an adapter seperating the plug from the car and you can't sense the temperature of it, then you'll either need to seriously beef up the conductors or derate the charging

    So I could see an Apple like scenario where if you don't have a Tesla certified adapter (and they figure out a way of detecting it) then you could have your charging automatically limited to 50kW or something

    I don't know how it'll play out, there should be enough space in the adapter for a PCB with a controller and temperature sensor which can talk to the charger, if manufacturers are bothered installing one

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Oh look…surprise surprise it wasn’t the EV’s that started the ship fire last month… in fact the EV’s on board (13% of all cars on board the ship), are all still in excellent condition end will still end up being sold to customers…




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ha, was just about to post that

    So I'm sure we can look forward to an apology from The Sun and the other gutter press throughout the world for spreading misinformation 😏

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Redfox25




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Like all these types of news articles, the truth is buried in the nuance of how they’re written.

    firstly, they didn’t technically spread misinformation - if you read the early articles after the fire broke out from any reputable source, you’ll find lines like this one from euronews (I’m only picking euronews cause it’s a melting pot of all EU news network sources) “According to initial information from the Coast Guard immediately after the fire started, an e-car may have been the starting point.”

    and secondly, this initial salvage report doesn’t actually say an EV didn’t start the fire - it says that the lower 4 decks of cars are still intact, and that the lower 4 decks includes up to 500 EVs.

    So it seems to be correct that the theory that an EV started the fire doesn’t hold up, but to be very clear - that’s not actually what this salvage report says, or doesn’t say.

    the sasatimes and some EV sites have simply done what the other news networks did at the start of this, and deduced it for themselves.


    I agree with you both btw, I’d really like to see the salvage report get the same amount of column inches as the initial fire did, but unfortunately that’s not how news cycle work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Saw a video on Reddit of a car on fire at the McDonald's drive thru in Newbridge and straight away "I heard it's an EV".

    Did we forget about that shitbox car that went on fire in the multistory in Cork or wherever it was? Why is it presumed every car fire was an EV when there's no basis for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Spotted that on RTE, looked a bit like an Audi or maybe Hyundai saloon from the shell of the car

    Didn't look at all like any EV that I know of

    And yeah, people are idiots 😕

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The vast majority of cars going on fire in this country are Opels and BMWs. Diesels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Newbridge fire looks to be a Merc C Class saloon - W204*.

    Someone on twitter even put up a photo with a circle around the exhaust pipe.

    The wider implications is that members of the public sometimes think the likelihood of an EV fire is much higher than it actually is.....


    *2007 to 2014 generation C class



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    What's happened is that pretty much every article on the undamaged cars has been written in the following type of way.

    "1000 cars including 500 EVs appear to be in good condition"

    We were already told that there was 498 EVs on the ship.

    So it's logical to think that 500 EVs out of 1000 cars been in good condition means all EVs were away from the cause of the fire and not part of causing its spread either.

    What I'd like to know is how EVs have got on been transported out of NON German ports.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’s scary how many people are sure it’s an EV and spreading so much hate.

    its also scary how many people soak it up,


    really show you how people are brainwashed. There the same folk falling for the anti vaccines, xenophobia etc

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    EV fires when they happen tend to be big news.

    So people who don't know about EVs think EV fires are much more common then they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    It was the same malarkey back in the 80s when cars were fitted with LPG, oh if you're in a crash it'll burst into flames etc.. nothing about the rusted tin box of a petrol tank that you were carrying your fiver of petrol in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Exactly. Have a look at the comments under today's article stating that there is 99% chance 2023 will be the hottest year ever. Don't look too long as your faith in humanity will never be ok again 😂





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If there was ever evidence that could refute the theory of natural selection then the comments section of The Journal would be it

    Honestly I think the reason all the comments are so short is because the morons who tried to write long winded responses suffocated because they forgot to breathe

    Of course I wonder how much if it is just bots posting shite, although they tend to be better spoken than the average idiot 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Probably looking more likely that there might have been EVs in other areas of the Freemantle highway not just Decks 1 to 4.

    Quite a few people seem to think one of the Porsches in one of the leaked photos looks like a Taycan.

    This obviously doesn't mean an EV started it because apart from anything else I suspect that the damage at the location the fire started - likely means you can't recognise the cars there or even stand there to take photos.

    It merely means that there are EVs elsewhere on the ship so EVs can't yet be exonerated from blame based on the "1000 cars with 500 of them EVs are undamaged" statements that were doing the rounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The Panamera looks a fair bit like a Taycan to be fair

    I suspect there's some confusion over what defines an EV. There could be 500 BEVs onboard but there's no mention of PHEVs or Hybrids

    Whether these would be considered an EV is somewhat open to interpretation, if we're in a Toyota ad then they're magic EVs that don't need to be refueled, whereas many people here would probably say they aren't an EV

    Anyway, there is the possibility that there were several hybrids around the ship which were included in the original 500 EV estimate and may (or may not) have contributed to the fire

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I've someone on my social media insisting that they've taken an image of a Taycan and matched it up perfectly to the car in the photo.

    However it's probably not hugely important.

    The following facts imply that this isn't the epicentre of the fire.....

    1) someone was actually able to get in close enough to take the photos of the Porsches.

    2) the fact we can guess the model of the Porsche.

    I suspect that at the actual location of the fire on the ship.

    1) you physically can't get in there and get a photo safely.

    2) the vehicles are probably damaged so badly you can hardly see they were vehicles once. Never mind that they are Porsches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Absolutely agree 100% that any cars at the epicenter of the fire are nothing more than a pile of slag at this point

    I'm more concerned about how the number of EVs on board seems to change every 5 mins, and I think the different interpretations of what an EV is is probably not helping this

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Bye bye I Pace, or not, kind of hard to tell from the article exactly what the plan is

    There was an absolutely brilliant typo in the first line which said JLR was aiming to be all EV by 2925 (not 2025 as it says now)

    I honestly thought the author was being ironic and saying JLR were being extremely slow on EV uptake

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    This could cause some..."robust debate" at a charging station.


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    It's in China, so it won't bother the local ESB hub. It takes up to 150kW with 1 or 230kW with both.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Why???

    I like the idea of charging ports on both sides as an option, but seriously, just installing more powerful chargers seems a much smarter option

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Are they GBT connectors though? A modified CHAdeMO.

    European solution of 800V CCS can do that speed with the one cable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yes true enough, probably not a CCS plug

    GBT can still support up to 1000V though

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Why China is banning Teslas.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I believe some EV busses have 2 x ccs right next to each other. I am not sure if that applies to Athlone or new Dublin EV busses, but it's already a thing in Europe. Be fun looking at them taking up two ionity spots!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    China’s been doing that for over two years after they introduced automobile data protection measures introduced in 2021. They know what their cars are capable of.

    Chinese have good form of their own, especially with regard to mobile phones. Same reason why Huawei has been banned in many western countries.



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