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A wonderful illustration showing how much public space we’ve handed over to cars

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    That is a particular configuration and this is technical problem that can be solved. I would suggest that Taxis have an RFID device which can show the status of the meter and this could be used to regulate bus lane use automatically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Doesn't get you past the problem of the safety aspect resulting from banning taxis without passengers from plying their trade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,262 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In Barcelona, taxis show the number of passengers entered on the meter at any given time, to control access to bus lanes and presumably also allow spot checks on diddling tourists with inflated passenger counts.

    Which still happens, had a driver attempt to do it to me a few months ago by whacking more on at the end of the trip when he'd already put the one actual extra (airport pickup) on at the start.

    So it can be done with on-car hardware and no faffing with readers (that could misread a different car); but I suspect its more likely that any change will be a full removal of bus lane access.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    are there many countries which don't allow taxis to use bus lanes? how do they deal with the pickup problem if there are any?

    and what was the situation in ireland before they were allowed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,262 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There were virtually no bus lanes before they were allowed use them here, so I doubt there was any solution.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Here's a study paper. No idea what conclusions they came to as I'm not going to read it on the phone screen.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1077291X22017581


    Though I suspect the same mode of operation is similar in London.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'here's a link which I couldn't even be bothered to read so I don't know if it's useful' doesn't exactly show much interest in the discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    I'll read it in detail when I'm back home and have access to a PC screen rather than my mobile phone ...tyvmfyc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    The motorists aren't the guests, the roads were built specifically for vehicular transport of one form or another.

    The biggest disadvantage Ireland has when it comes to cycling/pedestrians etc is our climate. It pisses down relentlessly. I can count on my fingers the number of nice days we've had in the past 2 months. How do you convince people to get out of a nice, safe, dry, climate controlled car onto a bike or walk in the pissing rain. As if the weather isn't soul destroying enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    One point I'd add is an economical one.

    Cars drive a big economy. Dealerships, mechanics, fuel stations, the fuel supply and distribution network, parts manufacture and supply, car cleaning, repairs etc etc. It's a significant industry generating a big amount of money and tax revenue. What happens if militants get their way and private cars are all but gone?

    Also retail etc, for example if I want to buy a new couch, I'll drive around a few furniture stores and pick one out to be delivered. Take away the use of my car I just go onto Google to search for one I like which will inevitably be from one of the big main furniture outlets. I foresee a society where we stop going out to the smaller and local businesses to buy. Instead buying from the usual multinationals like Amazon. This is happening already, but the more difficult we make motoring this will be an inevitable side effect. We'll sit at home clicking on our phones and computers. Everything delivered to us. More convenient and efficient, yes. But is the point of life to be as convenient and efficient as possible?

    I know none of my points disprove the ops original post. But worthy of concern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,465 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    It doesn't rain half as much as people think it does. I run most mornings and it is weeks since it was raining when I left the house.

    We actually have a very good climate for cycling/pedestrians. It rarely gets too hot or too cold.

    The climate excuse is a cop out that people give themselves as an excuse not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,321 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I agree. Also people seem to be allergic to rain gear in this country!

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    We don't have a domestic car industry and we don't produce our own fuel. How much difference would it make to the economy if that money wasn't consistently being pumped out of the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    We also don't make bicycles, trains, bus's, taxis etc.

    Just because we don't make them doesn't mean there's not a big industry, as I listed. Car dealerships, servicing, parts, fuel etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    The fact that you have been lucky enough to keep dry for an hour in the morning doesn't mean it hasn't rained at all. I'm in Athlone and It's rained consistently pretty much every day since early June. Only got better the last couple of days.

    Went to watch Man Utd at the Aviva last week, first time on public transport for years. Got absolutely drenched going there and going home. No thanks.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    take bicycles from that list (partly because they're easiest!)

    someone buying a bike is not sending a five figure sum out of the economy when they buy it, nor are they sending a potential four figure sum out of the economy each year running it, in fuel costs alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,465 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Just because it rains at some point in the day does not mean it rains all of the day. It was fairly rainy the last couple of weeks but it wasn't raining in the morning or evening during my commute. And even if it does I get a bit wet. So what?

    The next time you go to the Aviva bring some rain gear. Not rocket science



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    This is why it's pointless commenting in any of these debates and why I don't usually bother. People just dance around points. Yes a lot of money is sent out of the economy to buy cars built abroad. The point I raised and which you're ignoring is the thousands of people employed in and the revenue generated from the selling and maintaining of peoples cars. It's not an insignificant amount.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a certain irony too, in that we've just been through the wettest july ireland has seen since they started recording, and people are using that to justify driving. when it's very probable that the weather is like that because of CO2 driven climate change.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this is why you don't comment in any of these debates - because people challenge the points you make?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    "bring some rain gear" will persuade zero people to give up their cars. My idea of a day out doesn't involve standing around in rain gear for the day.

    You're being completely disingenuous regarding the weather, it's been diabolical. Noah built an ark for less rain than what we've had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,465 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Ask anyone who commutes on foot or by bicycle how often it rains and I can guarantee you that all will say that the weather rarely impacts them.

    If you're not willing to wear raingear at an outdoor event like a football match then there is not much anyone can do for you.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ah, would you grow up! Carrying an umbrella isn't a massive undertaking FFS. PLus (to dispute your earlier point), I cycle almost every day and despite the crappy summer, I haven't gotten wet on many days!

    Plus, when I look at the hourly weather for Athlone, it isn't as biblical as you are telling us: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/ireland/athlone/historic?month=7&year=2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,776 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Presumably you get to choose what time you run: in Galway, at least, if it's raining now, just wait 20 mins and it will probably have stopped

    Lots of people have jobs which don't allow that: they need to be at work, on time, every time

    Eg, In my current gig, I need to be at my desk in the office I Parkmore strictly by 9am two days a week. Other days can be flexible or WFH, those ones cannot due to operational needs. So sometimes I do get wet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭padjocollins


    keep in mind that you mightn't have to worry too much about rain on the way home. Worst case u get wet and change when u get home. So it's the trip to work most people will need to consider a bit more



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    FFS, some people just want to bitch for the sake of it!

    Since the start of the year I have commuted to and from work maybe two thirds of the time. I have rarely gotten wet but if and when rain is forecast, I still go to work at the same time; I just dress appropriately. In the same manner, today is quite warm so I wasn't wearing loads of layers when I cycled to work. It's not feckin rocket science nor is it a massive inconvenience.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,087 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm not sure we should continue with the absolute disaster that was only focusing on motorist infrastructure for the past 100 years just because some people might get a little bit wet sometimes.

    Do people think we should keep it so that nearly everyone needs to drive as the population increases and we have to continue providing infrastructure for that? That's pretty braindead to be fair.



  • Posts: 573 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We have a country of micro climates, the rain on the east coast is a lot different to the rain on the west coast where not only does it often rain all day but can rain constantly for days. In Galway it rains on average 230 days out of 365. We were provided with €500 worth of Berghaus rain gear to encourage commuters to walk or cycle to work, when there is a driven rain the gear fails to keep it out. I also have expensive Patagonia rain gear also that struggles with driven rain or when you are cycling against the wind while its raining. If its raining on a hot day and you have to wear rain gear while commuting you are generally a sweaty mess by the time you get to work.

    You have to arrive at work early on rainy days in order to shower and change. You have to carry spare clothes. You have a bag of damp clothes beside your desk all day as you work as there is nowhere to dry them out. You have to get back into the cold wet clothes in order to commute home if its still raining. Public transport is over capacity when the weather is bad as most who walk or cycle try and take the bus so there is little chance of getting public transport.

    Hop in a car drive to work and arrive dry, sounds a lot more pleasant.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,216 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Hop in a car drive to work and arrive dry, sounds a lot more pleasant.

    does that not sound like a $50 solution to a $5 problem though? to have thousands upon thousands of vehicles costing five figures (new), and significant public infrastructure; to cope with the issue of getting wet.

    pressure your employer to do better, if possible. my employer provides secure bike parking (swipe access only to a bike cage, which only the registered cyclists have access to); changing rooms, showers, lockers, and a drying room. no issue with getting into wet gear in the evening if you'd gotten wet on the way in in the morning. they sacrificed probably four parking spaces for the drying room, in a building with hundreds of parking spaces.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The issue that it's "Too wet in Ireland to cycle" isn't true at all, apart from the fact that we're not all made from Sugar...

    The real issues are that there's not enough protected cycle routes into any Irish City.

    Bicycle theft is rampant in Dublin, and Ireland... It's not uncommon to see younglads walking around town with angle-grinders and cutting off bicycle locks, they have ZERO fear of being caught or stopped by anyone least of all the Gardai.

    Cycling to sporting events or to the shops? See above...

    Offices/Workplaces tend not to have secure bicycle rooms/areas and even if they do it's not uncommon to see bicycles being stolen from "secured" areas.

    Also very very few workplaces have a locker room to store your clothes and a place to hang/dry your rain-gear/clothes.

    Until all of the above is addressed then we're not going to see a massive shift in the numbers of people swapping the car for a bicycle..

    (And yes I know there's going to be someone who'll reply to all of my above points and tell me i'm completely wrong and that's their opinion!)



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