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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    We need new technologies like solid state batteries as soon as possible so we can move away from the need for rare metals, especially cobalt.

    The environmental impacts and human costs of mining cobalt in particular are well documented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    We don't need solid state batteries to move away from using rare metals like cobalt and the awful circumstances of mining it. We already got LiFePO4 and soon the even cheaper NaFePO4. These are perfectly fine for use in EVs and home storage

    And I disagree with some posters here. Toyota is utterly fooked, they are failing to even sell cars in China, their biggest profit source in the past. For many years the Toyota Corolla was the world's best selling car. Now it is the Tesla Model Y and Toyota barely make any BEVs. Toyota was the world's biggest car maker, soon it will be BYD. Even Tesla will make more cars than Toyota in a few years time. And Japan as an economy is in very dark waters, they won't be able to bail the likes of Toyota out even if they wanted to. I wouldn't be surprised if the company will go bankrupt within a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The cobalt comment was half in jest. We need that performance but in a better way. LFP (and other variants as @unkel mentions above) are more resiliant and longer lasting than initial li-ion that was used up to now. I have a feeling that solid state batteries are close to hydrogen in private cars, both are good on paper but we are eons away from getting there and may not get there in our lifetime.

    The limitations of LFP are known, cold weather performance, low energy density (leading to higher weight and more space needed). But they can take a pounding and dont have the risks of fire. If we can find a way to get them to safely charge at the same C rate that the ioniq 28 did, we're almost at the 10-12 mins to 80% level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Solid state battery technology may not be that far away, given NIO have announced their semi-solid state battery tech going into production in the ES6 suv. The challenge will be getting the technology to achieve (or get close to) cost parity with current battery chemistry, like current EV tech has to do with fossil fuels. If large-scale production of SS batteries occurs, no doubt electric cars will become mainstream very quickly.

    The work Porsche have done with lithium tech certainly is interesting - their other project on carbon neutral synthetic fuels is equally so. My view though is that this may help serve a niche market and help keep ICE motor racing alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Personally I'd happily take an EV with LFP cells, the drawbacks don't really worry me and the advantages are absolutely worth it IMO

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I would and have done so. I think the tech is much better. We have 3 EVs, 2 of them are LFP and one is a heavily degraded 2011 nissan leaf that I bought as a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Trying to keep up with all the charger companies now with their separate apps.etc. leaf driver here.

    So I have esb account and easygo. Apps for both. What other ones are out there case I ever need them?

    On a related note they really need to unify to get more uptake. Being cashless etc is great for me who hates cash but not so much for the older folk or those who don't want to pay tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Once you have plugshare to find chargers that's all you need. The rest (circle k, applegreen etc) have card payments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    Not clear what the relevance of the last category mentioned above in this context?

    My issue with multiple operators relates to the requirement that a minimum account balance be maintained before you can charge. Fair enough if one account covers all chargers but unreasonable if multiple operators demand individual balances. Chargers need to be like any other service, rock up plug in and pay by card, end of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    I'll be renting a Tesla in Switzerland for a week. Any ideas what chargecards I should sign up for the more remote regions where there no Superchargers nearby? I already have a swisscharge card, should I get EVPass?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    The last comment was about people who are cash-only. They cant do electric cars with the current charging infrastructure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,733 ✭✭✭✭josip


    We charged at a place in Macedonia last week. It was originally a CNG site for cars and trucks and recently added a small solar farm and charging station. Not sure if the panels feed the car charger directly. We pulled in, connected the cable and were about to fire up the app, when a guy came over, checked the cable was connected, tapped the charger with his RFI card and asked us how much we wanted? We needed a full charge anyway so we told him 'full'. When we hit 99%, he came back, stopped the charger, disconnected the charging cable and directed us to the kiosk where we could pay either by card or cash. It was all a bit surreal and it was only when we were leaving that we realised he was the regular CNG pump attendant and he was just doing his 'job' 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    "Cash only" people will go the same way as "no mobile phone" people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    In all fairness if you're predisposed to embracing new technology such as EVs, it's a big incongruous that you're not prepared to engage fully with what is now a very mature technology



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Check out your route on abetterrouteplanner, Switzerland is a small country and one charge should get you from end to the other I would have thought. Unless you're planning on camping in the car I doubt you'll have an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Some rental services provide a card or cards. Ask on collection. What rental company?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Renting from Hertz. Yeah you're right, they should have the most common cards in the car. Thank you

    thank you, I received the card today so I should be well sorted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    BT are considering moving into the car charging business, using existing telecoms cabinets

    It looks like a tidy system they are planning and theres a pilot scheme due to start in Northern Ireland in the autumn.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Easygo did this in partnership with eir and there are dual branded easygo eir chargers in mayo. The old press release was up to hundreds of old pay phone sites may be chargers but I only see a few.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I've heard it said before that it's often cheaper to buy a cheap short range EV like a Leaf or Zoe and then just rent a bigger car when you need to travel further

    Has anyone ever actually done that? I wonder what the experience was like and was it worthwhile?

    I appreciate that it might not be workable for anyone outside the Pale, but since 40% of the population lives in the Dublin commuter belt then it's worth considering that if that 40% could be persuaded to buy a small and cheaper EV then it would significantly reduce our carbon emissions

    Anyway, the potential savings seem fairly compelling. The difference between say a Dacia Spring and MG4 is probably around €10k, much more when compared to something like an ID.4

    Just did some checking and you can rent a sh!tbox Kia Sportage for a weekend for around €400, or an ID.4 for €550

    I'd say a shorter range EV gets a bit head wrecking above a 200km journey, so if you only go beyond that twice a year then you could rent cars for nearly 10 years and still end up spending less

    I don't think anyone is going to be selling up their cars on the back of this, but it'd be interesting considering that some manufacturers seem to want to move to more of a leasing based model

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    >I've heard it said before that it's often cheaper to buy a cheap short range EV like a Leaf or Zoe and then just rent a bigger car when you need to travel further

    It does work.

    My relatives in northside Dublin for a long time had a really old Fiat, which nobody would think of robbing, for shopping and whatnot and for leaving the pale for funerals or stuff like that they'd hire a nice shiny car .

    Of course, the scumbags in the area still robbed the radio , even though it was a push button analogue one , i.e. one of these yokes

    car-radio-buttons.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Vinfast, probably what some people feared Chinese cars would be when they came here, but the Chinese turned out to be decent. A lot of this cars problems are supposedly being addressed in software updates, though that won't fix the ride.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Laviski


    with my leaf, there is about 10 days in the year where i would do a 200+km trip. I make no qualms of the limitations of the leaf in these circumstances however with about 5 mins of planning with redundancy included its workable. Furthermore have kids in tow, stopping is a must regardless so might as well charge.

    however if ESB continue to remove Chademo points this may become more problematic and then just renting a car for those days may become the better option in especially those remote area's where there is alack of infra for all e cars.

    I am very happy with my leaf and no intention of changing, it is perfect for city/short commutes. Considering what i seen and test driven, telsa is the next car down the line but just too much of a stretch at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭micks_address


    different topic but ive noticed 'mr ev?' on youtube has been renting his evs last few months from a company called onto (uk based).. initial prices seem high but it covers road tax/insurance as well and you have no lump sum tied up as a deposit for a PCP etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    +1

    Probably takes more time (and certainly a lot more money) to organise a rental car for the few times your low range car couldn't handle it comfortably. Unless you are not fussy and just hop into the local go car. Personally I would just take a bit more time for those trips that are out of range



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I kept my old ICE. At times I declared it off the road to reduce road tax to zero but only in blocks of 1-3 months. Thus we became a 3 car household. I also then sold the ICE spare and had a classic car with 56 euro annual tax and 230 euro annual insurance.

    I have swapped, borrowed, hired cars as required. Gocar tends to be very expensive for a whole weekend and no guarantees on the day there will be a car available near to you.

    Lately I am just public charging on longer trips as in taking the time planning ahead and stopping at quieter sites and granny charging at grannies.

    Our second car is a diesel so much less so of an issue day to day. Ideally your EV should have the range to cover 95%+ of trips on home charging only.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Muxsan the Dutch crowd that do the Leaf battery conversions* and range extender batteries.

    Were supposed to be doing a conversion to allow Leafs and eNV200s charge on CCS.

    Not sure how that progressed


    *ie a 40 kwh Leaf battery in a 24/30 kwh Leaf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting (albeit somewhat long winded) discussion about NACS and how it's winning the plug war in the US

    Quick summary, NACS is probably the nicer plug and it's cool that it won but it's literally not going to solve anything about public charging in the short term (in the US)

    I agree with the reasoning that the problem with public charging isn't the CCS plug but rather the convoluted payment process of using an app or RFID card instead of just paying with money

    I'm also in agreement that Plug & Charge is a nice to have, but the ability to pay with a debit card (or dare I say it, cash money) is essential

    I think the video also exposed a gap in the recent EU regulations regarding EV chargers, which is that while it's great that chargers will be required to have card readers, it doesn't really replicate the simplicity of fueling a petrol car

    I'm sure we've all had the experience where a charger wouldn't start for whatever reason and you're on the phone to support trying to get them to fix the issue from potentially hundreds of kilometres away

    Whereas in a petrol station there's generally a person in the shop who can manually start the pump if the card reader is broken. Or you can even pay with cash money if you want. To be clear, I'm not one of these cash free society conspiracy theorists, I avoid using cash as much as possible but I also respect that there's people who prefer to use cash and they don't deserve to be excluded from EV ownership

    Anyway, it'd be great if there was some trained person on-site who could help out with some basic troubleshooting, or maybe even if the staff in the shop could force the charger to authenticate and start and take payment in the shop

    It'd be great if the EU charger regulations contained some provision for this, at least along major routes. I can understand it's probably not feasible for every shop or hotel with a charger to have trained persons onsite

    Frankly, I don't think it'll happen because even petrol stations are moving to an unmanned system as much as possible. Some stations will only allow pay at pumps outside business hours and the shop is closed

    Anyway, that's my Sunday rant over and done with 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Some certa petrol stations are unmanned 24/7 (mostly next to Tesco stores). There is other 24/7 unmanned near Dublin airport.

    In terms of leaf to CCS conversion it can be done but the kit is not available yet. There will be an Irish group doing this. Its a pity it's not just a "chunky" adapter. Tesla model s had both CCS and chademo adapters meaning it could use Tesla Europe old style and CCS and chademo, one of very few cars that could both chademo and CCS. Often they had 22kW AC too. If an adapter could be volume produced it would be much cheaper. There is differences in protocol and it might need built in locking system, but it could and should be done.



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