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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Is there a site to check typical stats of each charger like typical times they are in use. Planning a long trip with 2 routes and seeing how law of averages works out on either so I don't have to queue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    The esb app has a peak time feature but I would not bet anything on it working correctly and I don't think it shows how busy the site actually is

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    Plugshare app has user comments and lists of esb and non esb options. Mon esb options are typically quieter and certain towns like Athlone have loads of ESB, loads of ionity etc. Typically I would try stop at one stop and have another later stop as a backup option, ideally with multiple chargers on the one site.

    Above is a site specifically designed to collect open data and provide some insights.

    In reality it may be easier if you mentioned your car, battery size, planned route, time of trip, if you will start off at 100%, if you intend staying overnight at destination etc and we can give advice.

    Generally try stay somewhere with a charger for overnight refill and stop plenty early and allow for busy, blocked and broken chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    This is THE site for you

    Simplest way to avoid queues is to aim for hubs. The more chargers then the lower chance of a queue and even if you do have to wait then it's likely a charger will clear in a few mins

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


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    231 Skoda enyaq EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Is it the 80 (long range) version ? Supply problems must be finally sorted if they’re supplying the Garda fleet at discounted rates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What makes you think they get a discounted rate? I don't think VW can do that and still have a reasonably profitable sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Nobody pays full price for fleet purchases when you’ve got volume. The Gardai run regular competitive tenders for the supply of fleet vehicles. It should be very attractive to importers as they usually spend a small fortune on servicing and repairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    If true it can only be more evidence to suggest that car manufacturers, incl VW, make a decent margin selling EVs to non commercial buyers who unfortunately pay through the nose for everything car related in this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Not really. If you buy anything in volume you can generally negotiate a discount.

    The thing with the fleet discount also as @joe1303l noted is that the manufacturer may not make much margin on the sale of the cars themselves, rather the money is made with the service contract that follows for the next few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Got a good laugh out of that video alright, other than being 2 years newer his car is pretty much the exact same as mine. 9 bars, original non lizard chemistry battery and no heat pump.

    I'd have no interest really in doing an irish version because we simply dont have the charger density like they have in Norway to stop every 30-40km for optimal charging performance and thus I wouldnt have a hope of getting near his time!

    If I were an irish youtuber though I would consider it for sure, people love catastrophe and clickbait when it comes to EVs and 23 charging stops over 1k km is both!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It was definitely more entertaining than scientific, had to laugh at the two Ecoflows in the backseat with the heater going to conserve range

    I agree it'd be a nightmare to do something similar in Ireland. Too many Chademo units are SPOF so there's too much risk of being caught waiting

    Even though Bjorn couldn't use his usual networks like Ionity or Tesla, he still could usually find sites with 2 or more Chademo and wasn't stuck waiting. That just doesn't exist here

    Also, the amount of Kempower chargers in that video was staggering. They've really taken off in Norway, hopefully we'll see some of their chargers here as well. I used one in the UK last year, and I gotta say it's a much neater setup than almost all of the competition

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, it was a mix of comedic and testing for sure. But being fair, he did the test to the best of his and the cars ability and I doubt anyone else could do it much faster. I loved the bit where he was double charging, the car and the ecoflows. I love the kempower hardware. The cable and the display is best in business, I know he's sponsored by them but I dont think its propaganda or anything, the UX is just that good,

    Compare the kempower experience to the likes of ABB, DBT or Tritium units that are used by the non tesla hardware units. Theres no comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling



    Meanwhile we got "fancy" new phone boxes/information points. That nobody uses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


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    Not a single charging point in Terenure or Rathgar but we did get this installed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Probably no surprise but...

    My experience of needing to queue seems to be limited to the Dublin(and nearby motorway services) area for a fast charger.

    Anywhere outside the pale, evenwhere only 1 charger exists for 50km, there is never more than 1 person queuing.

    Dublin area people got more cash to afford the cars and the infra is woefully limited for them is my takeaway. In general if going east, I try to plan the charge as far away from it as possible. Even the kinnegad easygos never have a sinner at them.

    Fermoy, Sligo, Laghey, Loughrea, Kinnegad, Killenny, Kilbeggan and others have bolstered this theory for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I've not queued for a charger for years - with one exception being the Tesla supercharger recently!

    If you're queuing you're probably at the wrong location. Even in dublin now theres sites that dont have just one charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    RIP those who died or who were injured

    apparently an electric car caught fire- only a small % were electric out of the 3000 on board




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    This happened in the Netherlands. I presume this is a poor translation / interpretation of what the Dutch media are reporting. Namely that they do NOT KNOW what started the fire. It might or might not have been an EV.

    The ship was en route from Germany to Africa. With 3000 cars on board, of which 25 EVs. It's not reported what sort of vehicles these are, but if I were to speculate, I would guess old / end of life cars that no longer pass the safety tests in Europe and that are dumped into third world countries in Africa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    But it is the Dailymail, their readers hate EVs based on the comment section on any EV related story. Similar for heat pumps.

    So as you say they don't know what started it but their readers will love a story like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm sure the firefighting systems on the ship were fully operational and the crew were well trained in emergency procedures. It definitely wasn't registered in Panama to avoid various taxes and safety or employee protection laws 😬

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It's amazing what they can push into a container and ship off to India etc,(I know that's a RoRo though)

    We're changing our combine and an option for selling our old one is export.

    There's someone in Omagh that has a takeaway and also exports machinery, they land with a container, take off wheels/whatever they need to take off and push it into a container.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Easygo did a deal with eir to swap a few payphones for 50kW chargers and I have seen some photos of dual branded eir/easygo 50kW chargers like below in mayo.

    Looks like BT in NI are looking to do similar. I don't understand how a payphone translates to a good site for a 50kW charger but maybe they have good contacts with the council and maybe old ducting could be used to drag high power cable. Maybe eir put in new ducting to allow easygo to install the charger.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    So I see alot of recommendations to only charge the car to 80 as its inefficient and slower to go beyond

    Does this principle apply to charging DC only or both types including home..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    DC only, and to be absolutely clear the 80% rule isn't a rule, it's a very very broad recommendation

    Under ideal circumstances the charging speed of the car will have slowed to the point where it's better to move on to another charger

    However there's plenty of circumstances where that isn't true. For example if you have something like an ID.4 plugged into a 50kW charger, that'll pull everything the charger can give right up to around 90% SoC

    So if you're fully using the charger, and you need the juice then is there any point moving on?

    Yeah it's probably quicker overall to move on to a more powerful charger, but sometimes it's simpler to just grab a few extra kilowatt-hours and not break up the journey too much

    The 80% recommendation was created to stop people pulling 10kW from a 50kW charger when they didn't need to. In my view, as long as you're using a reasonable amount of power the charger can provide and you need the charge then you can go beyond 80% at your leisure

    I also haven't found many situations where I need or wanted to go beyond 80%. Last couple of times I used fast charging I unplugged before 70%, I had what I needed and since DC charging costs around 5x the cost of home charging (or infinity times if charging from solar) I didn't really see any reason to take on more than I needed

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Yeah I'm getting better at just taking what I need plus 5 percent to get me home. Or goto 80 if a longer trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I tend to think of DC charging like a water seller in the desert who charges €10 for a bottle of water

    Yeah, you're gonna buy some water rather than die of dehydration. But you probably won't buy more than you need to get to the next stop

    Same logic for charging, it's the most expensive option so you'll probably only use what you need and no more

    We're in a position at the moment where we have EVs that can pull a lot of power beyond 80% SoC and the number of chargers is increasing dramatically

    The rollout is still slower than I'd like, but chargers aren't quite as rare as gold dust as they were a few years ago

    So I think the 80% rule is slightly outdated nowadays. I understand if there's a queue it can be incredibly frustrating seeing another car trying to charge to 90% or more, but if they need the charge then they have a legitimate reason to be using the charger

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Some manufacturers recommend 80% like VW and Tesla (depending on battery and car) even home charging. If you need the 100% then charge to 100%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Not really EV related but the seat in my car is wet. I'm going to buy one of those Unibond dehumidifier yokes for €15 in Woodies but I'm wondering in the mean time is it worth using remote AC or am I better off using heat?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Both, so you get hot, dry air which will help dry things out more



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I would just park the car with the sun on the wet seat outside my house with the doors open (If we get the sun again..😋)



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