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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Cos Meehole I'd say.

    The feckin flypast was 1 minute 4 seconds early. Reveille was still being sounded, absolute shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Looks like the government never got around to updating legeslation to allow the Rangers deploy as ERU are minding Leo today in Kiev




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I'm pleased he has shown his support by making the visit in dangerous times. Also it might make him realise how useful it is to have proper air defences...which has been a great saver of lives for the Ukraine in these difficult times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,263 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I hope its got the correct 2 pin euro plug on the french end or it'll be no good ..

    Electrons are electrons ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭roadmaster




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The ERU are perfectly capable of securing the Taoiseach, especially in an area that is relatively quiet like that around Kyiv.

    I mean yes, there are air attacks by drones and cruise missiles, but in those circumstances, what difference would it make whether it was the Guards or the Army, you're still reliant on NATO supplied anti-air defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    United States gets its first female Chief of Naval Operations and first woman to sit on the Committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Admiral Franchetti is not the first female four-star Flag Officer though, as Admiral Michelle J Howard jointly commanded US Naval Forces Europe and Naval Forces Africa holding the rank of full Admiral.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There are any number of articles referring to the proposed purchase, I just chose that one, as it was not behind a pay wall.

    Any poor editorial doesn't change the basic information.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, to quote the Irish Times article on the matter... https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/07/20/irelands-defence-forces-to-get-new-us-style-camouflage-uniforms/

    "The current camouflage uniforms, which are unique to the Defence Forces and are sometimes lightheartedly referred to as “Paddyflage” by other militaries, will be phased out over the coming years."

    Consider. The term is well familiar to me in Texas, and I like to think I have a reasonable knowledge of Irish geography, even without being a collector



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ok. But that doesn't make the article wrong or poorly researched. Like it or not, it is a name associated with the pattern. May as well complain about an article from 1943 calling the US tanks "Shermans". Only foreigners and reporters called it that, to an American soldier it was the M4 or Medium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    IPDPM, really rolls off the tongue.

    I don't know why this annoys you so much, military kit has a long history of contractions and colloquialisms.

    HMMWV - Hum-vee - Hummer.

    UH-1 - Huey

    OH-6 - Loach

    B-52 Stratofortress - Big Ugly Fat F*cker

    Camouflage worn by Irish DF - Paddyflage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Only you think so. Don't be so precious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭davetherave


    I'd have to agree with Dohvolle, in 15 years I've never heard anyone wearing it call it paddyflage.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    And in 20 years driving large American vehicles, I have never heard anyone driving one refer to it as a Yank Tank. Yet there is very little confusion over what they are when you use the term in appropriate conversation. Even the term “Yank” is used by everyone except the Yanks. Does that mean that an article which refers to Americans as Yanks or a Lincoln Continental as a yank tank is poorly researched?

    The term exists and is in common use. The lack of use of the term by the users doesn’t invalidate the statement, and the fact that I refer to the pattern as “Irish DPM” and have never personally used the term “Paddyflage” doesn’t preclude me from accepting that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭mupper2


    This feels like a circular argument by people bored on the weekend...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Hang on ...is the Steyr not a Gun? What is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Isn't a rifle a "rifled" gun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A lot of waffle it certainly is lol.

    Paddyflage is a new one on me. But googling it gets results going back back quite a while.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Waffe means 'weapon', no? Indeed, stick 'gewehr' into Google Translate from German and it comes out as... gun.

    It seems to me a rifle is a type of gun. Gun being the overarching name, the subset of weapons which propels by expansive force (Railguns don't really fit into this, in fairness), then you have gun divided into pieces and firearms, then the firearms are crew served or individual, the individual being handguns (Revolvers and pistols, mainly) and long guns, the latter being shotguns, and rifles. Rifles themselves also being a term used for pieces (eg USS Iowa had 16-inch rifles) so in itself a bit of a matter of common usage. In fairness, handgun itself used to refer to long-barreled weapons as well, to distinguish them from the towed guns of the era, though it's no longer a common usage. And then there are the subsets of rifle, battle rifle, assault rifle, etc.

    So it's all a bit of a silly argument.

    As an aside, the oldest usage of 'paddyflauge' on Boards.ie is 2007. "Paddyflage" is 2008.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This thread is poorly named.

    Changing subject...since some seem to be digging a hole for themselves.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭mupper2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,135 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Oh goodie, because we're going to need a U-Navy before long, maybe XOcean can fix us up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Unmanned everything is pretty much the common-sense next step for many sectors. As an aside, a self-driving vehicle managed to complete an off-road course faster than a manned one for the first time about a month ago. The difference was that the AI driver didn't care about any cargo or crew, so it took obstacles at full belt where the human driver would slow down to minimize the impact. So they're still working on that...



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    After a determined effort, I have finally finished all four days of the Consultative Forum. The panels by the historians and the four other European countries were particularly interesting.

    However, the audience, Christ. It’s like Sinn Feinn and Peace and Neutrality had nothing else to do and showed up while everyone else was at work. And instead of posing sensible relevant questions, they sucked up time with irrelevant position statements, oftentimes divorced from reality. (Norway blew up Nordstream? Really?). Or TD McCarthy kept taking the floor saying the same bloody thing every day.

    Oh well, was still informative. I wonder what the actual viewer numbers are, though, the DFA YouTube hit counters are the low four-digits.



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