Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This grain isn't coming from an EU or NATO country. It's coming from a non-eu and non-nato country at war with the same. Europe stands "idly" by because for one they're not a force that can intervene more than they already have and secondly the Union is a Union, they can't just throw it all on the line for the sake of others.

It makes for a lovely story, but in reality people don't want any intervention here because the cost isn't worth the gain for us.

You're thinking emotionally instead of politically, which is usually the case in here.

While its common practice for Chaplains to pray for Gods protection for their soldiers, Kirill is actively praying for the death and destruction of Ukraine, something that's completely forbidden under the 6th commandment, thou shall not kill. Which puts Kirill completely at odds with church teaching, a Church he claims to represent. Kirill is just another one of Putin's murderous horde.

If you want to go the believer route then the following should apply

6. Thou shalt not kill.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

A little levity...

I've done some calculations.

Ukraine could produce around 51 million metric tonnes of grain.

The average car boot holds between 280-300 litres.

Taking an average density of the grain, I estimate that we only need around 220 million round trips to get the grain thing sorted by land.

Maybe adding a few lorries into the mix would speed things up...

Reading more into this.

You can't help but get the feeling the unconfirmed reports of 100k soldiers ready to take Karkiv. Was. All over a stupid ammonium pipeline that was damaged in Karkiv.

All I can say is.. Ha. Ha. Ha. Russian government. Russian people. Russian fools who'd be led to fight for a mafia boss over fertiliser sales.

The issue there is the grain needs to head to Africa and the middle east not Europe other wise we affect Europen production and economies , which in turn causes governments to rethink their involvement in the process

Joking aside, I would have thought that in the event of trying to move grain by land, it would be a case of ferrying it southward to a port in Romania where it would be shipped toward the Bosphorus within NATO territorial waters. I'm sure there are aspects to this which hinder the idea from somewhere between highly impractical to almost impossible, but is there any alternative to even discuss, never mind implement?

I would have thought it would be simple enough to move from the Odessa to Romania and Moldova , Bulgaria and down to Turkish waters and out to the bosphorus straight,

I get the feeling other countries are afraid their shipping being effected or Russia blockading or mining their ports ,

There needs to be a firm response to Russian threats, let's see if they are willing to play the biggest game of Battleship not seen since WW2

It looked like the village of Klischiivka was going to fall to Ukraine about two weeks ago. The Russians reinforced the area since then.

To provide perspective, Ukraine have been trying to liberate this one single village for 2.5 months now.

America seems to have more of an interest in preventing Ukraine from being defeated, to actually enabling Ukraine to win.

When Ukraine was close to collapse in March 2022, America rushed military aid in.

Here we are in July 2023 with a situation that is much more delicately poised and America are pumping the brakes on aid.

I imagine Trump could find a way to tear up any existing agreements. From his ridiculous "I'll end this war in one day" comments recently it's clear he has no interest in taking it seriously and an Economist podcast recently pointed out that the majority of America First think tanks and lobbyists think America should not be involved in the conflict and instead focus on China. The point was clear: if Trump wins, Ukraine should be very prepared for a dramatic shift in policy

True but they're not storming government buildings like in America.

This is crazy.

https://fortune.com/2023/07/18/russia-ukraine-oil-imports-american-firms-slb-baker-hughes-halliburton/

You posts really are the most negative and inconsistent I've read on boards in a while. You're even openly contradicting yourself at this stage. Some awesome goalpost moving here.

How about this absolutely enormous 1.3billion aid package the other day?

Yeah sorry you can't have both of those. Either they're pumping the brakes on aid or they're still making their typical, absolutely whopping regular aid packages, which is it?

Putting aside that their previous aid package not but a short while ago opened up the flow of a metric shitton of cluster munitions(an extra capability they haven't provided before and Ukraine have been begging for them and hailed them as potentially game changing).