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LC Written Examiners, 2022

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    #242
    Random sample
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Random sample


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829278#Comment_120829278

    You pay full tax on the advance now, it means the tax free elements are all in the second payment (expenses) so that payment will be higher.



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    #243
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829278#Comment_120829278

    40% tax = 240

    4% PRSI = 24

    USC depends, typically 4.5% = 27

    The typical marginal tax rate in Ireland for workers over 40k is 48.5%



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    #244
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830650#Comment_120830650

    Yeah, basically add it, estimate your earnings and then it'll split your usc. Unless you aren't employed as a full time teacher only your USC bands will change. Probably just be an extra 100 or 2 in the payment at the end but that can be a lot depending.



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    #245
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829278#Comment_120829278

    Unfortunately it is right, assuming you are using up all yoir credits on your normal wages.



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    #246
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    Whatever you do, when your marking finishes around the 6th August, don't calculate your entire net income from the marking process and divide it by the hours you spent in the marking process, and then think about that time in the good weather that's never coming back.

    If you visit a university friend who did the same degree as you but is now charging €300 per hour (plus 23% VAT) as a solicitor and you don't even have the summer holidays to comfort yourself with, it can be a reflective moment on one's career choice. Younger people thinking of teaching, take note. And even if you love teaching, you're going to get to a stage where you have to get out of it and into management or some less capable moron on the staff will get into management (because, often, they can't actually teach and the existing management need to get them out of the class but shhh) and control your teaching timetable/happiness.

    If you can live outside Dublin/pay off your mortgage early, and enjoy the summer holidays rather than have to work through them, teaching is still a brilliant job even though you will, as I said, probably have to leave the classroom for management at some stage so perhaps don't choose it as a life-long career if you're doing so because you like actual teaching!



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    #247
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    I wish some of those people at marking conferences who want to fight every point would just whisht and let us get this done asap. Fine, discussing it and moving on - but stop putting your energy into this very dispassionate process. We are in an era of declining academic standards. Embrace them, or perish! 😁😡



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    #248
    G.briste
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭G.briste


    Has anyone not received any payment yet?



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    #249
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833671#Comment_120833671

    I haven't received any money in my account for SEC Examining. I received €312 net (from €600 gross) as an advance on 16 June for being a Superintendent. That is all. If I recall, in previous years the Superintedent section has been quicker at paying, and in one year I didn't get fully paid for the examining until November.



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    #250
    G.briste
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭G.briste


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833798#Comment_120833798

    I see! I thought maybe the advance or conference fee for written examiners had been paid out. Thanks.



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    #251
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833539#Comment_120833539

    You must be at my subject :) I find that it is the new examiners that have bees in their bonnet or liking the importance of their own voice trying to change something that has worked for years while the experienced examiners sitting rolling their eyes. All those arguments only delay us all.



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    #252
    rainbowtrout
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833539#Comment_120833539

    I'm kind of surprised to see this here. Teachers complain constantly that they have no voice in many of the changes in education, yet when they can have a voice, they are being told to shut up. It's important that answers are discussed and that other view points are considered at the marking conference. It's not a dictatorship.



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    #253
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,796 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851519#Comment_120851519

    Dunno if it's changed but in fairness there's usually feck all time to get into it as a written examiner at the conference and still let people go home to their families on time ..between going through the scheme and noting clarifications and marking some practice ones etc..


    You don't want to be the one that everyone is secretly rolling their eyes at because they think you just like the sound of your own voice....which isn't far off the mark for some.


    Besides those advising etc have presumably worked out most of the kinks and the rest will become apparent down the line after a certain percentage in...


    It used to feel a little like a dictatorship in the past 😅...



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    #254
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    I must say the weather Gods are being very kind tp us this year. Apparently there was a little drop.of rain yesterday 😅😅



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    #255
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,139 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Coming to the end of marking online for the first time. Dear God how did we ever do it the old way? Online is a dream.



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    #256
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120867925#Comment_120867925

    It very much is. However, 'linking' all those supplementary pages to random questions is a pain. Some kids are all over the shop with where they write things!

    The Advising Examiners are like stormtroopers though with the deadlines and phonecalls! (albeit nice ones once you get the work in!)



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    #257
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭Treppen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835276#Comment_120835276

    In fairness though I think it's important to fight a student's corner.

    I was only ever at 2 conferences and both times I had to point out ambiguities in a question or allowed answers were extremely limited to 1 or 2 possibilities and didn't allow for other interpretations or learnings.

    Even to this day I say to students "well technically you're 100% correct but I think an examiner might miss that point , so you must write this instead to be safe".

    So go ahead, annoy the eye-rollers.

    Although I have eye-rolled myself 🤣



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    #258
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    For sure, some of the questions could be phrased better. Clarity should be of the utmost importance in each question. There's actually no excuse for that. Does a single person write each LC exam paper? There are some questions that I don't think would pass if they had two people writing them.



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    #259
    dory
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833509#Comment_120833509

    I came on to announce how happy I am, finished for another year.

    But now I've read that and will have a quiet sob into my wine. 😫



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    #260
    Muise1981
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Muise1981


    A decade since I did it, where time goes!!. Chatting to a man superintending with me who marked online last year and not having to open packs, count scripts, scrud 60s etc must be very nice. Don't think I'd like the whole thing of every last hour on a screen.


    Also make viewing scripts a it easier at the far side. Though I guess the advising team are an ever watchful presence by the sounds of it. Must be a big push to get things over the line so results can be published etc. To those finishing up, enjoy the rest of the summer. Maybe weather will pick up now!!



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    #261
    Treppen
    Registered Users Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭Treppen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120868368#Comment_120868368

    I'm not sure how the exam is created but I'm sure they'd have to proof a number of questions with second eyes. I think in the end the papers are randomised so the creator doesn't know which one is sent to the printers.



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    #262
    scrubs33
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭scrubs33


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833539#Comment_120833539

    I certainly found that the most argumentative people found themselves as advising examiners the year later. Handy way of muting criticism I suppose.



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    #263
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    In the LC, at what number of scripts does the extra 6 euro per script bonus start?


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    #264
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120870460#Comment_120870460

    Not a bonus, you get that automatically! It was a covid thing I think, initially I think 150eu per 25 bit 6eu per script is easier to manage at payroll level I'd imagine.

    There is another bump over a certain amount but its different for every subject!



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    #265
    Random sample
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    The additional threshold in my subject is about 20 more than anyone was expected to get, so nobody hit that extra.


    As for the €6, it’s hard to imagine how that will ever be taken away, unless they are trying to push for teachers to mark their own.



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    #266
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120871114#Comment_120871114

    Just to be clear.

    In LC maths, the payment per script is 8.60.

    You are suggesting that for each and every script, an examiner will get 8.60 + 6.00 = 14.60?


    Now that I read the screengrab again, I see what you mean. The 6 euro is applied to every script.



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    #267
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120871636#Comment_120871636

    Yep, that's a more reasonable amount per script in fairness. Especially give the issues with the papers this year.

    I doubt we will be loosing it any time soon, it's keeping a lot of people doing it.



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    #268
    salonfire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833509#Comment_120833509

    The solicitor has to pay the running of a business out of that €300, it doesn't all go to one person. Receptionist, legal aides, rates, accountant, employer PRSI, employer pension contributions etc.



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    #269
    drserious4
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭drserious4


    Any idea what the pay is for the average junior cert scripts and what the Irish bonus is for the corrector?



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    #270
    gaiscioch
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    Do you get the Retention payment this year if you worked as marker for the SEC last year, albeit for a different LC subject to the one you're doing this year? And are there any conditions attached to getting it?



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    #271
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    My understanding of the R&R fee is that it is given to anyone who corrects in 2023, with the retention element being that they hope you come back in 2024 because the pay was good. In fairness, there are a lot of extra bits tagged on to Rate per script now.



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