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LC Written Examiners, 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭smallgarden


    My subject was only €5.67 per paper plus €3 extra. Just did the maths and not sure if they paid me the conference or administration fee. Did those payments come with the main payment? I can find two payments on online banking ,the advance and then a second one in October.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    They should have been on the payslip for October. The advance payslip has no details on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 TJ23


    A JC examiner living near Dublin with no income for the summer would need to be living rent-free and have no PME loan. Otherwise they would need access to more money than the SEC contract is worth. Then you return to school to be told "you must have done really well". You're right Grueller - they don't align.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    I did the JC for a couple of years before LC. It's a much better way of starting, the LC is tough by comparison. Not sure my exact gross last year, maybe around 8 grand for LC HL but in a subject not struggling as badly as others and the surprise of being finished a few days before Sprioc La.

    I find the "I can't save for a house" bit funny too. I did July provision, superintending, exam secretary and correcting over a few years, sometimes 3 at a time. We've a few very sensible young staff who are saving and doing all the extra. A lot have or will buy houses soon. It is phenomenally difficult alone though, the small cheap one/two beds don't exist anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Norma was saying on RTE radio one the other morning that the SEC were happy they have enough to mark papers!

    Do I believe her though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Most of the younger teachers about here have summer income. At least the ones talking about buying a home have anyway. We can all pick exceptions to rules if we want.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    I believe the online day is to show us the ropes of online marking, and would probably make sense for it to be online, everyone behind their own screen etc.

    I asked for the orals if I could count the night before they start. Everyone in school said no way. SEC said yes as I was coming over 100km, couldn't expect me to leave at crack of dawn. They wouldn't respond to my emails but said it over the phone (I had planned on printing and adding it to my claim). But they paid me for it in the end. So if you're far from Athlone you could do the same.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    I know of one, experienced marker (who has had a few years off) who applied and almost fell off her seat when she was put on the subs bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    Did we believe her when she said schools were safe? :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 inbetweentea


    How many year's examination marking experience leads to advising examiner?

    Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Varies depending on performance and when vacancies actually arise. 8 years in my case when I got it. Have seen others get it from 4 to 20+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 inbetweentea


    I've wondered this since I marked a while back and also if it is paid well. My advising examiner seemed to work like a trojan so I know it's not for everyone.

    Congratulations on being offered it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    There’s no definitive answer. Depends on subject, level, JC/LC/LCA etc. if a vacancy arises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Anyone received any correspondence for this year? Still bo word and the conference dates online are rapidly approaching!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    I received an SMS from the advising examiner, or perhaps head examiner, last Thursday reminding me where to meet in Athlone and when. Perhaps ring up examiners' section because clarity is important at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I got the usual letter in May with the location and time. I don’t expect to hear anything else before the conference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Turns out they didn't log my email accepting it, got an email saying I hadn't returned my acceptance .....had to email back a screenshot of the email I definitely did email back. Very annoying, I turned down other work and moved things to be available and I've been correcting years. Hopefully they can sort it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    That’s awful. It really is worth following up when you hear nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    They were so late getting back last year I left it assuming it was grand, only when I got to the end of last week and has no rmassesor login was I worried.

    Was onto them this morning by phone, sending it on the the head of examiners. I'm a bit confused to be honest, as far as I'm concerned, given I returned the form by the date stated by email, I should be appointed as it's a contract once I return the acceptance. A simple email in March stating you've been accepted would solve this. The SEC should really have a better system for this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 mardirousse


    I'm going to my first marking conference on Wednesday. JC French. Does anyone know around what time it will finish at (starts at 9.15am) ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    You'll be out of conference by 4pm, might even be 330.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 mardirousse


    That is fantastic, thanks, I thought it would be after 5!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    Been thinking of your predicament all day, annoying just doesn't cover it. You've planned around it, and presumably, no more than any of us, have the income earmarked for something or other. I think I know your subject (as we have the same main subject and seem to have similar experience with DEIS schools). You'd have thought that it was just a thought of changing the split of papers and telling you to come along for sure. It would be crazy to pass over an experienced examiner, when there are bound to be some inexperienced in the group. They also risk you not coming back next year, be it as you've sourced a 2023 alternative, or out of annoyance.

    Really hope you get sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    Good luck with it. Don't get bogged down in the paperwork at conference, it all makes more sense when you are actually doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Thanks for that, I was pretty annoyed for sure. More by the dismissive and incorrect initial response. I had really moved things around to make it work, moreso than any other year actually.

    But good news at least, managed to get a very nice and helpful younger guy on the phone this morning at half 9 (poor guy was only turning on the computer when he answered the phone). He went above and beyond and sorted it out. In fairness, the chief advising examiner and all the subject specific people are great in general (why I keep coming back 🙂) and were in contact very quickly.

    I'd be concerned it's unlikely I'm the only person who's email "went missing". The loss of the experienced staff in the SEC during covid definitely shows. Endemic in teaching though, you'd swear they had loads of people lined up for every job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭djemba djemba


    I have the inperson conference on Monday and online part on Wednesday. Are we working on Tuesday? I have never had a day between conference days before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Unlikely. You can probably go back over the model answers if you want to do something. You will have gone through samples at the in person conference and then doing the online work on the zoom day. There’s a day between all of the conferences this year, I don’t know why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Glad you got sorted. They couldn’t find my form which I had returned this year either, and rang me to say they couldn’t find it. I told them I had returned it and they said they’d send me out another one if it didn’t show up. I’m guessing it showed up, because they didn’t send me out a new one, and the next letter I got had conference location and time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Has exemplar and practice script on the calendar for the middle day? Maybe everyone just goes home and corrects a couple of scripts in the middle day? Must be something new they're trying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    That's the thing that annoyed me, the initial email was so dismissive......like it's impossible they could have made a mistake and it wasn't worth checking.......they often make mistakes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Grueller


    To get logged into the online marking and get familiarised. Make sure any issues with logins etc are sorted. Do a couple of practice scripts.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    For those who have gone to conferences - are all the materials you need on the table when you turn up, or will it be posted the day before? I presume it was only posted last year as it was all online? I'll be away the few days before Athlone so really hoping it won't turn up at my house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Yes, posting them out was a covid measure. The blue book should be the only thing you have going with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 G.briste


    For subjects with two papers is the rate given per candidate or per paper? Eg. if you were told the rate is 25 euro, will you be getting 50 each time you finish marking a candidate (paper one and paper two)? Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,391 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout




  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭drserious4


    Anyone else get a small payment on Friday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Yes, I did. I think its payment for attendance at the marking conferences



  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭drserious4


    I got 600, 312 of which went in tax leaving me with 288. Could that be right?? I knew the tax was high but that seems off the wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    That's bang on if you have no credits assigned to the SEC, double check on revenue. Usually not worth moving anything bar the USC bands anyway



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 G.briste


    Are you supposed to add it as a job on revenue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    You pay full tax on the advance now, it means the tax free elements are all in the second payment (expenses) so that payment will be higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    40% tax = 240

    4% PRSI = 24

    USC depends, typically 4.5% = 27

    The typical marginal tax rate in Ireland for workers over 40k is 48.5%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Yeah, basically add it, estimate your earnings and then it'll split your usc. Unless you aren't employed as a full time teacher only your USC bands will change. Probably just be an extra 100 or 2 in the payment at the end but that can be a lot depending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Unfortunately it is right, assuming you are using up all yoir credits on your normal wages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    Whatever you do, when your marking finishes around the 6th August, don't calculate your entire net income from the marking process and divide it by the hours you spent in the marking process, and then think about that time in the good weather that's never coming back.

    If you visit a university friend who did the same degree as you but is now charging €300 per hour (plus 23% VAT) as a solicitor and you don't even have the summer holidays to comfort yourself with, it can be a reflective moment on one's career choice. Younger people thinking of teaching, take note. And even if you love teaching, you're going to get to a stage where you have to get out of it and into management or some less capable moron on the staff will get into management (because, often, they can't actually teach and the existing management need to get them out of the class but shhh) and control your teaching timetable/happiness.

    If you can live outside Dublin/pay off your mortgage early, and enjoy the summer holidays rather than have to work through them, teaching is still a brilliant job even though you will, as I said, probably have to leave the classroom for management at some stage so perhaps don't choose it as a life-long career if you're doing so because you like actual teaching!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    I wish some of those people at marking conferences who want to fight every point would just whisht and let us get this done asap. Fine, discussing it and moving on - but stop putting your energy into this very dispassionate process. We are in an era of declining academic standards. Embrace them, or perish! 😁😡



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 G.briste


    Has anyone not received any payment yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭gaiscioch


    I haven't received any money in my account for SEC Examining. I received €312 net (from €600 gross) as an advance on 16 June for being a Superintendent. That is all. If I recall, in previous years the Superintedent section has been quicker at paying, and in one year I didn't get fully paid for the examining until November.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 G.briste


    I see! I thought maybe the advance or conference fee for written examiners had been paid out. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    You must be at my subject :) I find that it is the new examiners that have bees in their bonnet or liking the importance of their own voice trying to change something that has worked for years while the experienced examiners sitting rolling their eyes. All those arguments only delay us all.



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