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World's hottest day since records began

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There coming to get your spuds ... Hide them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,527 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    What worries me is the amount of pesticides growing crops entails. Im not sure people fully understand. Spray before planting, spray many times while growing.The soil ecosystem of a tillaged field is sterile, disturbed with constant rotation and pesticides. Also, more land is needed to create the same amount of food as meat and its more vulnerable to bad seasons. Grassland is undisturbed with rich ecosystems of mycelium underneath. Dig up the soil of a field of corn, try and find earthworms, mycelium.. do the same for pasture. HUGE difference.. If we stop using land for pasture, it will be used for tillage. Which is much, much worse for the land and us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,527 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Don't our pigs and chickens only eat tillage? Should we be cutting down on eating them?

    Land that isn't used for pasture could be left to go wild. Some of our uplands for e.g. for the overall health of the environment in Ireland.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Two points, it depends how you farm. Organic can approach conventional productivity after the soil builds back up and the ecological balance is restored. It takes time and skill but it can be done. Conventional arable is a direct pathway to famine as soils become depleted and abandoned.

    No meat production can match the productivity of arable. Civilization was not built on beef it was built on wheat. There are basic and significant conversion losses in turning vegetation into animal protein.

    Much of Ireland land is only suitable for beef and sheep so thats the only way to farm it - but there is a sustainable stocking rate and we are operating beyond it. In fact grazers are essential for healthy habitats. Take the cattle out of the Burren and you lose the rich biodiversity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This is conditioning people to think a certain way.

    What happened to letting people make their own minds up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,422 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You implied that the news media were being paid to report on the record breaking extreme temperatures, droughts, wildfires, flash floods that are all happening concurrently all around the world right now....

    Public service broadcasting involves informing people about science and issues facing society. Of course the state should be paying for broadcasts to educate people about the very real threat of climate change and what our role should be to adapt and mitigate future harm from rising global temperatures

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,200 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's about the same as hyundai was spending every year a few years back. it's a tiny drop compared to the amount of content pushing people to buy stuff.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/25m-marketing-campaign-behind-hyundais-sales-burst/34514668.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,422 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Informing and education people is 'conditioning' now

    Right.

    How do you make your own mind up?

    Based on whatever nutcases pop up in your twitter feed, or whatever news is 'curated' to you by an algorithm aimed at getting you to spend as much as your life doom scrolling through whatever the algorithm identifies as most likely to grab your attention?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The problem with conspiratorial thinking is that everything becomes a conspiracy against you. It's a bad hole to dig yourself out of as it dismisses all counter factual evidence as part of the conspiracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I’m not on twitter.

    If you inform people of an agenda you want them to follow- then yes you are conditioning them.

    I generally look at both sides of an argument and make my mind up.

    However it helps if you can actually get access to both sides of the argument instead of the government attempting to deny access to the side they deem dangerous.

    Post edited by tom1ie on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Most of Ireland is only suitable for beef , sheep and milk . Most of it , particularly the West and North is stocked appropriately or even less than appropriately.

    The Green agenda won’t tell you that however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭OldRio


    It's difficult who to believe. Murdoch and his ilk own the media. National broadcasters have their own agendas, set by governments.

    Scientist's are funded by companies. Someone has to pay their wages.

    The manipulation of Social Media is widespread.

    Trying to find out 'facts' has never been more difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Except Hyundai don’t have a state tv and radio broadcaster do they?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Facts are quite easy to find if you stay clear of non scientists. Go to the original sources and read them, don't prefer the exceptional conclusion just because it confirms exactly what you want to believe. If you weigh the actual scientific evidence there is only one conclusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,422 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    How is the government preventing you from seeing/reading/hearing one side of an argument?

    There is no argument anymore about whether climate change is real or that human emissions are responsible for most of the changes we are currently experiencing

    The IPCC have described it as unequivocal, but that is only because pretty much every single respected scientific body in the world who have anything at all to say on climate change, have accepted the evidence and agree that Global warming is anthropogenic.

    There is no scientific debate on the nature of climate change. There is lots of discussion and disagreement about the full extent and the likely outcomes from climate change, and how best to adapt or mitigate etc but if you're still stuck on the 'It's probably natural' level of 'debate' then you're woefully uninformed and you should consider very carefully where you get your information from.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    The funny thing is that people are constantly told not to confuse the weather (which is short-term) with global warming or climate change or whatever the preferred term is now;

    However, we are now being told that a warm spell in parts of Europe is now unrefutable proof of the impact of GW/CC; it also seems that the weather for the last week of July and certainly the first 2 weeks of August for Germany is rather mediocre, not particularly wet but certainly with temperatures in the 20-25 degrees range - I look forward to rte breathlessly covering this cooler than normal spell on their 7am radio news in the first slot after 'what it says in papers", just for balance



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The current heatwaves are exceptional because they come on top of an already warmed background (1.5c warmer than preindustrial), standard patterns of weather are been disrupted with increasing frequency. Such extreme heatwaves would normally be measured in hundreds of years between events, but now they are coming multiple times a decade. This is why climate experts attribute them to CLIMATE CHANGE ( the clue is in the name - the climate has changed).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,422 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its not a 'warm spell'

    It's record breaking extreme hot weather that is happening concurrently across multiple continents at the same time. Loads of Hot weather records being smashed year on year, with zero cold records being broken.

    That is not normal weather, that indicates a shift in climate.

    And it if was just a once off anomaly, it wouldn't be proof of climate change, but it's not, it's a part of pattern that has been predicted, has known causes and will continue to get worse unless we address the causes of said climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,422 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Many of the temperatures we're seeing today are not even 1 in 1000 year events, they're completely outside of the normal ranges for those regions and it's only when human emissions are added in, that those extremes become possible.

    But I suppose the Met Office in the UK wouldn't know anything about weather...

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Astartes


    Shouldn't western powers be considering military action to combat delinquent nation's (china, India, Indonesia, Philippines, South Africa et al) to literally save all our lives before we all get killed by the weather?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That escalated quickly...

    Don't the Americans produce more emissions per capita than anyone else?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    It is a warm spell, as normal as it was between 91-97 when I lived in Germany permanently.

    Summer was always hot in Italy and Spain, but perhaps before social media and with less foreign travel, people were simply less aware of it.

    Interestingly, I heard today that a region of Germany is banning cats from being outdoors for six months of the year to cut the number of birds killed by these "pets", with fines of up to €50k depending on what bird is killed. This should help biodiversity and is the type of policy that should be introduced in Ireland as well. Petfood production contributes to emissions and it is now rime to limit the number of domestic pets that we in Ireland should have.

    Climate change is now an industry, so fair play to those who continue to push it aggressively, but I really struggle to see how ireland impoverishing itself will help the global "battle".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So now you’ve changed from humans being 100% responsible for climate change to being mostly responsible.

    Can you make your mind up please.

    We are literally talking about the government spending money to stop one side of a discussion!

    Post edited by tom1ie on


  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes they do, closely followed by Ireland.

    It's a fact many want to ignore by focusing on the total figure. Considering that China has over 3x the American population it has only just caught up with Americas emissions.

    So should we attack America to reduce its emissions ?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    How is Ireland impoverishing itself exactly ?

    There is no need to speculate about how warm it was back in Germany Italy and Spain in the nineties. there is a complete and precise climate record to confirm that the current heat waves are exceptional.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,200 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,595 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @Jizique - "I really struggle to see how ireland impoverishing itself will help the global "battle"

    Ireland impoverishing itself? You must be joking. Our Taoiseach has shown he has a better understanding of the opportunities of the energy transition. He said "wind is Ireland's oil". We could make billions upon billions from exporting wind electricity .... to the likes of Germany.



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