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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭loopymum


    I would recommend running a full history check including uk & ireland.

    There was a car on the the bargain alerts that was going cheap & everyone was saying jump on it but I ran a full history & it had been in an accident & a lot of repair work done on it. I didn't bother buying it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I got a siphon pump from micks garage code 5775749 for 13 euro delivered. I got fluid from local motor factors, I don't have receipt handy but I think below is the spec from a Google. Siphon is handy as it's hard to get fluid in top hole.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Why not? Generally repair work puts a car back to a better position than it was pre-accident, refreshing with brand new parts on the proviso that insurance is picking up the tab - those guys spare no expense and use every chance to get as much work done as possible.

    Have little fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭zg3409


    If car is officially in database as crash damaged any new owner may not pay top price. Car may not have been fixed properly and catches and clips may be missing. If in another crash the car may not perform as well if the chassis was bent before and straighted. There is a reason crash repaired are cheaper than non crashed and anyone hiding that fact could not be trusted. There may be damage to battery pack internally that may cause a fire later or a coolant leak. Lots of worst case concerns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Most of those fears are unfounded though.

    An insurance repair that has gone through the (very expensive) repair process from an accredited specialist will return the vehicle to 100%. if it can't be returned to 100% a decision is made and the car is not repaired, but instead scrapped. Being nervous of all repairs is a conservative legacy perspective.

    By all means look at the paperwork to be assured that a 'proper' repair was done, and yes perhaps walk away from a penny-pinching backstreet operation, but backed by an insurance-approved repair report have no fear. The repairers fleece the insurers and replace catches and clips that don't need replacing to max out the value of the repair!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The earth could also be hit by an undiscovered asteroid and/or Ebola might break out in Killiney etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,297 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    True very true related to the fix.

    But it must be accepted it lowers the value of the car for all future owners.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's not about your attitude to repairs, it's the next purchaser that causes the problem. If your happy with the risk you can get some absolute bargains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    At some point you are the "next purchaser" after a repair in the past.

    Is it a fear of the unknown, or the "what if"?



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The market operates in a way that for a substantial number of people a repaired car has a perceived lower value, because of this given the option of two very similar cars where one has damage and repair on record versus a 2nd one that does not, I would not pay the same price. One of the biggest costs to you as an owner is the depreciation between purchase and sale. If I expect a repaired car to sell for less money I will purchase that car for a similar reduced amount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭creedp


    Or charge for the replacement of parts that aren't actually replaced. Only experience of an insurance repair related to a civic that was stolen and had the radio stolen and some damage to panels and bumper. Went through the approved insurance repair guy. When I picked up car, I immediately noticed 2 things, the radio was replaced by a 2 speaker cheapo unit and the so called new bumper was the old one repaired (and not a great job either). Guy was very displeased when this stuff was pointed out to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,643 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    That is such nonsense. Better position than it was pre accident?😂

    The reason cars are written off is because the insurer can’t economically repair them. They then get bought by traders who repair them to a lower standard and sell them on

    Cars are rarely repaired to a high standard here. And if a car looks like a bargain but turns out to have previous accident damage then it is by no means a bargain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I bet he was even more displeased when you informed your insurer about it 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Insurers write them off financially because they end up with repair quotes based on new genuine parts and main dealer labour rates. The quotes often include loads of parts not even needed but they are added just in case by the assessor as the vehicle. To get an accurate cost, a crashed car would need to be stripped to establish what’s broken and what isn’t. The potential savings are on the parts priced in but not needed, using 2nd hand parts and obviously not using a main dealer to do the work.

    That said, you’ll do well to find any 2nd parts for an Ioniq 6 and of course a repaired vehicle will always be worth less than one that’s never been damaged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭creedp


    At the time I just wanted to get my car back so he voluntarily sorted all identified problems. Got a decent stereo, far better than original, and brand new bumper. I know I should have done the right thing.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,884 ✭✭✭Alkers


    All depends if it's advertised as damaged repaired or you find out via history check. If you find out via history check and not advertised as such, if it's advertised as.cheap already, this puts you in a strong bargaining position as the seller is caught either not knowing or pulling a fast one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Doesn't matter if it is a private seller. Caveat emptor. You have zero comeback. Unless

    1. you asked a question
    2. they lied about it and
    3. you can prove that.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,643 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    They just meant that it gives you a better bargaining position as you have a reason to ask for a bigger discount.

    Anyway I think even if a private seller lies to your face about mileage or history you still have no comeback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭loopymum


    Caveat emporer indeed with a private seller.

    Supposedly with a dealer they have to tell you if you ask but only if you ask & obviously you would need to prove later you asked.

    It was a dealer car & i asked in a text&was told no on the phone.

    I was running a check anyway& about 30 mins later tge dealer texted me back with pics of the car pre repair & said actually it had been crashed & repaired.

    The windscreen had been replaced & substantial damage to the front & bumper. I was concerned that there would be issues down the line with adaptive cruise control. The report also said it had gone untaxed for over a year so my guess was it just left sitting around during covid waiting to be repaired



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,884 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I don't mean about comeback at all.

    I'm saying if they don't mention it is crashed repaired but you find out from history check, either they didn't know and the item their selling is devalued so you can buy it cheaper or the seller tries to save face with you by reducing price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Surely this 2019 ZOE wouldn’t cost a fortune to fix ?

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/34519106

    19 Zoe Electric 50km Light Damage



  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My issue with these is: Why have the repairs not already been done, if they're an easy and viable fix?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    A combination of Insurance Assessors, insane repair quotes and the cost of new parts. Limited market as a lot of buyers wouldn’t want to knowingly buy a car that’s been damaged. As long it’s repaired properly and not bodged, I don’t see the issue. Buying salvage has it’s risks, you’re buying as is, no comeback if say the battery or drivetrain is knackered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    This. If you are confident you can get the job done (yourself) for little money then profits can be made. But it is risky.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Fantana2


    What size battery is in that? Could be cheap home storage, sell the tires on too if there anything left on them.

    6.96kwp South facing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not really. The going rate for safe and brand new LiFePO4 with 6000 cycles is about €140-150 per kWh, this car has 40kWh, but the battery is 4 years old, had fewer than 1500 cycles even when new and not of a safe chemistry. For €2-3k it would be a good buy just for the battery alright

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    A 2nd hand passenger door and a repair to the sill should have that car back on the road for small money. Can’t see from the photos if it needs airbags or not. Cheapest 2019 Zoe’s on DD are €14K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,009 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Only thing is , scrap dealers tend to know cars ,and pricing ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I suspect EV’s could a bit outside their comfort zone and your traditional handyman mechanic could be a bit afraid getting involved.



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