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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    https://archive.ph/HmAoQ

    Was paywalled for me.

    Still get a tickle in my balls when I use this archive site, thank you to whoever shared it here.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭scotchy


    I know its not an ideal way of determining the Ruble's value. But the Russians look to be slowly losing control of its value over the last month or so. Hopefully a bellwether to things starting to collapse. Could very well be 90 R to the dollar soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Does Russia have the most dangerous windows on the planet?

    Maybe we can send over Munster Joinery to take a look ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    To make them less safe?

    Either way, if a a 28 year old bank vice-president isn't due to corruption, I don't know what is :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    A 28 year old VP that looks like a model. That's either massive nepotism or the President of the Bank follows Silvio Berlusconi style hiring practices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    VP is not as high a title in IB as the average man-on-the-street probably assumes. 28 would be a common enough age to reach it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    That's interesting. Looking at the historical pricing you can see that the Currency controls made a big difference immediately after the invasion but the price has been steadily dropping since last June and is now actually higher than the roughly 83Rb/$ value that they were before those controls were implemented.


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    From my understanding the main leg of those controls is that Exporters must sell their dollars for Rubles rather than hold on to them. Since exporters these days are pretty much just oil & gas companies (they're probably not flogging many weapons) I guess that means that they're no longer making enough from those sales to prop up the currency.

    That means that Russia will probably need to sell more of its foreign reserves and gold etc if they want to try and keep a lid on this. If they don't then their imports are going to keep getting more expensive, thereby driving up inflation. For things like food and drink they can switch to domestic producers but for anything manufactured and especially high end stuff like pharmaceuticals and sanction busting machine parts and electronics there may be no local alternatives.

    It's like death by a thousand cuts. On the plus side though, they've managed to solve male unemployment by having them get conscripted or flee the country!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Either way it is a shame to throw such a good-looker out the window.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    An investigation? I wonder what that will turn up?



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Just go on google maps and see for yourself they are just like us in that in 91 they seized an opportunity to better their lives and be self determined. Their houses and neighbourhoods say a lot about them they dreamed the western dream and caught up rapidly. The rancidity above them got afraid of the idea of serfs becoming nothing more than a tit to be squeezed and invaded Ukraine. But if it weren't for the corrupt politicians in the EU and UK the russians would have had to just sit back and watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,360 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If they haven't moved into a ground floor apartment by now I have no sympathy for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,425 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I have to laugh at the vox pops from Russia where the serfs say "We live well here - we are well looked after by the state and have everything we want", all the while living in a kip of a country and in what we would call poverty. Total brainwashing /gaslighting going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Long thread explaining what is likely to be the genesis of Progozhin's hatred for Shoigu:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    This is not true. There's no reason the quality of housing would be better in Ukraine. Ukraine is easily the poorest country in Europe, far poorer than Russia. Russian per-capita GDP was consistently 3 times that of Ukraine before the war. Since Putin invaded that disparity is much greater. Another common trope is that most Russians don't have internal toilets - another fallacy. In Russian cities, (where the vast majority of Russians live) almost all dwellings have toilets, as anyone who has visited there will attest to. Obviously, in terms of quality of housing, there's a huge rural-urban divide, with toilets less common in rural areas, but this divide exists in Ukraine too. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I think, like most things, it's complicated. Russia is wealthier than Ukraine but that wealth is concentrated heavily in the urban elite. That makes direct comparison with wealth stats difficult because of how skewed Russian wealth is. In the rural and regional areas of Russia, that most of the armed forces are drawn from they often don't have paved roads or running water. Urban dwellers in Ukraine would certainly be a lot better off than those people.

    There were reports that the Russian soldiers were shocked when they saw some of the housing in Ukraine because it was far better than how they lived and of course we all saw the scenes of them looting appliances and toilet bowls to bring back home.


    Some stats about Russia:

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    In contrast Ukrainians appear to have better sanitation by and large. The World bank uses the following definition:

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    For Russia: (figures are %'s in 5 year increments from 2000 on the left to 2020 on the right)

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    Ukraine:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    I have far too many people I know who are VPs in big banks for it to be a high title.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    A terrorist state who can't get it's story straight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    I guess the point I'm making is that when people say that the standard of living is much better in Ukraine, it's because they're usually making a false comparison: they're comparing Rural Russia with Urban Ukraine. Urban standard of living is much better than Rural, in both Russia and Ukraine. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That she had a history of sleepwalking and thought double glazing was an extravagance she could do without.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Just a little something for anyone who still thinks Russia is a "Powerfull" country.

    This is one of the best articles I've read in quite a while, this is the kind of stuff folks in governments should be reading and taking notice of. The clearer your view is, the better the decisions you make are.

    By Philips O'Brien (no paywall)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I always felt that Pre-February 2022, that the way Ukraine retake Luhansk and Donetsk were if they were to join the EU, their standard of living rises dramatically and the Russo-Ukrainians get very jealous. The EU invests heavily in the neighbouring areas and the left behinds get FOMO.

    They originally thought they would have a higher standard of living with Russian, which was a reason why they were happy with the annexation.

    I truly believe that the vast majority of people only really truly care about their standard of living and not what flag is flying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    That's the thing about lying it gets harder and harder to remember previous lies, so tripping yourself up is certain.

    Post edited by saabsaab on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    When you are talking about truth in Russia you have to specify the day you are talking about because each day has its own truth.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia has no particular desire to get its story straight. In terms of politics, the Russian mindset is that lying is as noble as telling the truth. They've no interest in telling the truth or even giving a consistent story where doing so won't benefit them. This is an interesting and quite fundamental divergence in thought between the West and Russia. It's not like Western politicians do not lie their pants off in many instances, but there's an inherent shame about that when it's brought to light, and it's still the ideal that truth is ultimately better than lies. Not so in Russia - both have parity, and power is the true ideal.

    This has been cited as a major stumbling block in the quest for Russia and western nations to come to a true understanding. Russian politicians assume all western politicians look at the world in the same deeply cynical way that they do, as if that is the natural order. Western politicians mistakenly believed at times that Russian politicians had ethics.

    In relation to the Storm Shadow soundbite, it's an obvious and transparent lie, but Russia doesn't care about this at all. They've nothing to lose in saying it, and they must find the Western indignation almost amusing. If they get a few western contrarians parroting the soundbite, all the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The counter-offensive into the south won't work unless Ukraine gets more help. There are just too many mines, too many anti-tank weapons, too much artillery, too many bodies, an aviation threat, and lines of logistics that Ukraine aren't able to target.

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    The above map indicates the range they can currently target with HIMARS. There are clearly vast swathes of occupied territory that are out of range where we know the Russians operate airfields, logistics centres, ammo dumps, army HQ's, etc.

    People will say but what about Storm Shadow? These certainly have range, but based on their sparing use so far, my guess is the British have supplied only a small number of these, my guess is in the very low double digit numbers. Nowhere near enough to target everything the Ukrainians would like to hit.

    If Ukraine are provided ATACMS AND in a decent number AND some time reasonably soon, I think it give a more realistic chance at the counter-offensive succeeding. Being able to target Saky airfield would seriously disrupt Russian aviation which is currently wreaking havoc with impunity on advancing Ukrainian armour. Having greater ability to hit supply depots just out of range of HIMARS will hit the Russian logistics. Forcing the Russian navy out of Sevastopol would impede their navy. There's of course the Kerch bridge too.

    So as in Kherson, where HIMARS had a critical impact in forcing the Russians to abandon the right side of the bank, ATACMS could potentially do the same for the current counter-offensive.

    Will Ukraine get in in time, and in the numbers they require?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    The counteroffensive is more like attrition than the rout we were hoping for. I think the war will continue like this until the Russians are worn down. Ukraine needs lots of artillery for this, until the Russian line breaks.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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