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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Well, one more piece of my information has been confirmed. The Pidars are retreating from the northern streets of Bakhmut - and this is only what can be officially said so far. In fact, they have already lost several streets steadily and not only there.

    Klishchiivka and Berkhivka - a matter of time, as I said.

    The latest from Bakhmut Demon.

    There's a lot of evidence to suggest that the Russians replaced Wagner with recently mobilized forces who have been struggling to contain the Ukrainian counter-attacks.

    I get the feeling this is a diversionary attack to try and pull Russian forces from the south. The Ukrainians have been consistently talking up attacks around Bakhmut for two months now. Makes me think they are trying to goad Putin into reinforcing the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    More Russian surrenders in the forest it seems. They got pincered.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Russians are their own worst enemy it seems lol, what better way to bolster their war effort than to imprison some of the more competent generals.

    Surovikin began the large scale bombing of infrastructure, and constructed a huge network of defensive lines in the south, east, and in Belgorod/kursk on the border. I think it was him who ordered retreat from Kherson too, which was the right call from a strategic pov else they would have eventually been trapped on the north bank.

    Once gerasimov was appointed as head of the war above surovikin, the bombings became more indiscriminate attacks on civilians, there was a failed winter offensive, and then an attempted coup in protest at how sh*t gerasimov and shoigu are at leading the military

    Thank God Putin values loyalty above competence, if this keeps up Ukraine surely will be able to sever the landbridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    The defensive lines were built quite a bit far back from Bakhmut (roughly 20km on the Donetsk Luhansk border). Be interesting to see if that's the natural position that they would fall back to or if they'll send in reserves to plug the lines and try and hold it where they are now:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I know we are all concerned about these massive Russian fortification lines that have yet to be encountered,

    But,

    Are we sure Russia has the manpower, will or resources to man then?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Recently there are a lot of stories about Russians calling for support/manpower and it does not arrive. Russia may be more depleted than we think. If so, what will it be like in 6 weeks time?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That'll be some blow to the moral of the Red Army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Sorry to be a broken record but RE: Putin out and about meeting people. He ain't running the show anymore. Somebody is telling him that he needs to keep up appearances, to say XYZ, to attend XYZ.

    Prigozhin had insurance when they went on the match and were not obliterated. Whatever the insurance is, it is dictating whatever Vladimir Putin is doing right now. He has been beyond uncharacteristic this week. And he knows himself as former KGB, behaving uncharacteristically is a view for suspicion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    That ain’t putin…must be a strange time for his doubles…. I wonder if they will make a film about it someday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That's the interesting thing to wonder about. Wagner's rebellion last weekend gave the impression that between Rostov and Moscow there was no-one available to intercept or halt the Wagner advance. If it is true that there really wasn't any kind of army division available to head down the road to stop them, that might suggest that Russia has deployed everything they've got into Ukraine.

    Any breech of the frontlines might therefore be catastrofic for a Russian force that has no means to stop the AFU from swinging around and attacking their positions from behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Germany allowing an EU sanctioned Russian propaganda machine free reign in Berlin.


    While public pressure has forced many on the left to throw some support to Ukraine, solidarity remains for most, not all, with Moscow.


    This is not anti German, the non socialist parties in the German govt have been excellent friends to Ukraine, just stymied as much as possible by the Socialists. The comrades throughout Europe must change and pick democracy over totalitarianism. That's is an existential issue for them and I appreciate that it will take some time to process.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If the doubles survive, they could play Putin in any movie about the war!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    While not wishing to appear to be defending Putin, what choice does he have if Surovikin was involved in the coup? If Surovikin was involved that's a tacit admission he knows the war is lost and wanted to save his own skin. I think when other commanders above him can't deny the facts on the ground they might look for a way out too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This is what a former British Army Chief alluded to on Newsnight a couple of nights ago. He said that a significant defeat of the Russians in one sector , perhaps in Bakhmut, maybe will lead to a general collapse across the front from Russian troops who really don't want to be there in the first place. The Russians don't have to beaten across the entire front line for the war to end suddenly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Putting my dictator hat on for a moment (😈), I think you're right. Putin's power lies in fear and coercion. If he fails to make an example of anyone who plotted against him, then that power is diminished.

    That by the way is why he was so keen on ordering the murders of Skripal, Litvinenko etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, and this is why Prigozhin will never be safe despite any deal he made. Perhaps he has something on Putin that makes him believe he is safe but I would not count on that if I were him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin seems to have a fear of making martyrs of people. Navalny and Murza are two outspoken critics who are both in jail and both he could have had killed a long time ago, yet he has allowed both to live. For now, at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I thought he tried to posion Navalny. Am I mixing him up with someone else?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Tbf, he's tried to poison a lot of people.


    I'm convinced Putin has some sort of Winning Streak wheel in his office, but instead of money where the ball lands on, you have posion, windows, stairs, drowning, etc

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    He did. And Kara-Murz twice too. None when they were in custody though.

    The thing is those poisonings would have given Putin plausible deniability - even if the world and their mother would have known who was behind it. Killing them when they're in prison....not so much.

    Putin loves methods where he can both pretend that it wasn't him but also have everyone know that it was him, at the same time. So basically all of the methods that have become running jokes: defenestrations, poisonings with radioactive isotopes, nerve agents etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    photo_2023-06-29_13-48-18.jpg

    The Russians have withdrawn behind the white line at Robotyne. That line roughly corresponds with the defensive lines that were photographed and can be found on the deepstate map.

    Post edited by Francie Barrett on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭SoapMcTavish


    drone.jpg

    What's that Drone up to ? What's of interest in the Irish sea ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,541 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    That's Aberporth, a big UAV testing facility.

    Probably just testing, but there's also a yacht missing that the UK CG, Irish CG and RNLI are searching for, so could be they're lending a hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Good stuff.

    Aside: I know they're a convict group so have likely had particularly horrific lives but I'm always struck by how much healthier Ukrainian soldiers look than Russian ones. The Russians often seem to be missing teeth are either overweight or rake thin and just look haggard. If they didn't come from a prison they were probably out in the sticks somewhere drinking themselves to death before this war. I don't recall ever seeing a group of healthy, young Russian troops in Ukraine (they must save them for marching in parades in Red Square)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    So I have noticed too. I heard one Russian woman saying her son is better of to go to Ukraine because if he stayed at home he'd die from drinking vodka.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I was reading that Ukrainian houses are much more upmarket than Russian ones - most Russians live in kips of apartments, totally run down and impoverished. The average Ukrainian has a better standard of living, more western in outlook.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




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