Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

d51984 · 21-05-2023 04:50PM

When Fairview and North strand works is complete, NTA should be looking at putting some shiny new electric buses through the above areas, would really compliment the completed scheme well.

spurious · 22-05-2023 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624308#Comment_120624308

They could start by putting back the bus stop on the North Strand that they are replacing with car parking spaces.

Murph_D · 23-05-2023 11:25AM

Surely this is a Dublin Bus issue and not the DCC? Can’t blame them for everything!

LXFlyer · 23-05-2023 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630639#Comment_120630639

Dublin City Council and the NTA removed the stop, along with several other stops, with no consultation.

Dublin Bus are only the operator now.

23-05-2023 11:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610830#Comment_120610830

Appropriate username.

Why not consider cycling in the Griffith Ave cycle lanes yourself instead of sitting in traffic?

Gloomtastic! · 23-05-2023 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630673#Comment_120630673

Cos I need what’s in the back of the van for work. No point going otherwise. 🙄

Tenzor07 · 23-05-2023 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631397#Comment_120631397

Doesn't mean someone who needs to carry things can't cycle, there's cargo bikes for example:

https://www.treehugger.com/uk-plumber-conducts-business-by-cargo-bike-5188214

Gloomtastic! · 23-05-2023 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631422#Comment_120631422

If I could fit what I need on a cargo bike, I’d do it tomorrow. But unfortunately I can’t, so a van it has to be.

Seth Brundle · 23-05-2023 02:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631469#Comment_120631469

But that's the ambition that so many are against. You *need* to be able to drive to work whereas most others travelling into city centres do not *need* to drive but make the choice based on whatever excuse works for them. If all of those were to make the choice to instead use public transport, your journey would become shorter and less stressful.

Tenzor07 · 23-05-2023 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631517#Comment_120631517

True, the vast majority of people using that road only have to carry themselves or a laptop unless they're a commercial driver/tradesman like the previous poster here..

23-05-2023 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631469#Comment_120631469

And this is what creates the traffic you complain about. Not a cycle lane.

bk · 23-05-2023 03:53PM

This is such an important point. Dublin is ranked as having some of the highest traffic congestion in the world, while Amsterdam has some of the least traffic congestion in the world! And yes people do drive in Amsterdam and trades people with vans exist there too!

The difference is that Amsterdam builds such good quality walking infrastructure, cycling infrastructure and public transport, that for many people it is faster, cheaper and more convenient to get around by these, so they opted for them over driving, which of course reduces traffic congestion for those who still have to drive, dohhh!

And surprisingly Amsterdam is actually ranked as one of the easiest cities in Europe to drive around. I've heard from many folks in Amsteradam ho relatively stress free it is to drive around Amsterdam compared to other European cities. Partly this is because the engineers put the same sort of careful thought into street design for cars as they do bikes. Lots of one way streets, lots of low speed limits (but still faster journey times). A lot of ideas that are initially counter intuitive and the type of things that Irish motorists would likely fight tooth and nail, but which have shown to actually greatly reduce traffic congestion and reduce journey times and increase peoples happiness.

Tenzor07 · 23-05-2023 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631893#Comment_120631893

I always thought the Dutch set the Gold standard for cycle infrastructure and they pretty much do apart from the fact that motorcycles and mini-cars are allowed to use the cycle infra.. :-/

Gloomtastic! · 23-05-2023 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631622#Comment_120631622

I wasn’t complaining about the traffic. I was complaining about the lack of cyclists using the cycle lanes, while we are all stuck in traffic caused by the replanning of the road to allow for the cycle lanes.

Thelonious Monk · 23-05-2023 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632006#Comment_120632006

how are the cycle lanes causing traffic to be stuck? i've driven griffith ave a good few times in recent weeks and to me anyway it's no different to how it ever was apart from there are some kerbs separating the bike lanes.

23-05-2023 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632006#Comment_120632006

Would you be planning to squeeze your van between a lane of traffic and the footpath if the cycle lane was returned to motorists, its rightful owner in your view.

I cycled on the Griffith Avenue cycle lane on May 9th just for the record. I saw plenty of other cyclists using the facilities that day.

If a road for vehicular traffic is underutilised can we advocate for it to be closed off to vehicles?

bikeman1 · 23-05-2023 05:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632006#Comment_120632006

I cycle on Griffith Ave. most working days for a section when I'm heading to the office. Totally incorrect to say that there is nobody using it. I'll try and get a photo for you one day.

And yes, I use it all year round, not just in good weather.

Tenzor07 · 23-05-2023 06:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632006#Comment_120632006

No you're not stuck in traffic, you ARE traffic.. Traffic made up by the numbers of Private (and commercial) vehicles using the road not cause of a narrow cycle lane... Griffith Ave. is a leafy residential road not an extension of the M50 as some people may think it is or want it to be..

You'll notice the absolute scarcity of cycle lanes off the Avenue apart from some painted cycle gutters usually with Vans parked in them...

Murph_D · 23-05-2023 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630646#Comment_120630646

NTA then. Does DCC really have a say in where bus stops should be? Genuine question. No point in allocating the space if the bus is not going to stop there. High quality bus corridors with high quality stops - and these ones are the best I’ve seen in Dublin - are a far cry from just plugging a pole in the ground like the regular stops. Maybe it’s more complicated than DCC making a unilateral decision? Just asking for clarity - you seem to have some info.

bk · 23-05-2023 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632006#Comment_120632006

Which numerous people including myself who walk and cycle Griffith Avenue every day tell you is absolutely bullshit. Plenty of people using the cycle lane every day despite the fact that it isn't finished and is poor quality.

Also I'm not sure what you are blathering about traffic caused by the Cycle lane. There hasn't been any significant change to the amount of road space on Griffith Avenue, just a reconfiguration of the cycle lanes and on street parking, it is the same two traffic lanes it always has been.

Here is a picture of what it looked like 6 years ago from Google Maps:

Note it has always been just two lanes.

Also for fun note the car on the left parked in the middle of the cycle lane!

Murph_D · 23-05-2023 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631397#Comment_120631397

Commercial drivers should be taking their frustration out on the people making unnecessary car journeys, surely?

23-05-2023 10:02PM

Gloomtastic clearly doesnt notice the cyclists using the cycle lane because they're gone in a flash. He certainly notices the traffic because he's stuck in it for so long 😀

Citizen Six · 23-05-2023 11:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631397#Comment_120631397

You’re painting a great picture of yourself. A van driver with poor observational skills.

Gloomtastic! · 24-05-2023 05:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633565#Comment_120633565

You said that? 🙄

25-05-2023 04:30PM

Those bloody cyclists again 😀 (sarcasm alert)

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spurious · 25-05-2023 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120632730#Comment_120632730

NTA not answering when asked how/why/when the decision was made.

There is supposedly a query (again) going to the from the Minister's office on my behalf to NTA soon. Perhaps they will answer that. It makes an absolute joke of the whole thing to get rid of the busiest stop (Stop 617) on the road in the section of road that has had the most disruption. The stop directly opposite (Stop 4384) is supposed to be going too (I say supposedly because as residents we get no actual info - one of the workmen told someone), but it is not so bad as the alternative is Stop 518 under the bridge, not too far away, previously only used for the 53 to East Wall.

brianc89 · 25-05-2023 07:55PM

518 is also being removed. See attached which was issued last August after works started. Documents as recently as May/June last year showed the old stops remaining.

I went around the ringer with this. Got responses from local politicians and NTA, but got no where. They claim it's been decided after consultation and following best practice, but they showed no proof of this.

There was clearly no proper consultation carried out, as evident by the removal of the stop at Preston Street, where a new entrance to Connolly will be built. Very poor.

c2cc-bus-stops (2).pdf

spurious · 25-05-2023 11:48PM

It's worse than I thought. We have years of the road in shite, noise all the time and then they take the bus stops to encourage us to use public transport. What a complete f up.

I notice they are not moving the wendy house bus stop out in leafy Clontarf which is literally a stone's throw from the next one. Some Dublin 3 residents more equal than others.

At least 2 or 3 people will be able to park their cars in the shiny new spaces where there is no room for a bus stop that would have served hundreds.

26-05-2023 04:33PM

Is the cycle lane inbound open now? It seems blocked off between Alfie Byrne Road and Westwood, so I stayed on the road through Fairview this morning only to get beeped at and berated by a taxi driver (who else) for nor being in the cycle lane. I did see some people walking in the lane. Confusion all round.

CatInABox · 26-05-2023 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120643792#Comment_120643792

It's open from Westwood onwards, right up until around Annesley Bridge. The walking in the cycle lane is going to be a problem that people are just going to have to get used to. Keeping the fence around the park means that anyone crossing the road outside of the designated crossing points will be stuck on the cycle track until they get to a hole in the fence.

Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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