Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590863#Comment_120590863

Guaranteed fact you never even heard of a storm shadow missile till it was all over sky news too 🤣🤣

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 01:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590899#Comment_120590899

I would guess a little of both having read it. Interesting to see yet again DPER getting flagged as the major obstacle for progressing anything.

roadmaster · 13-05-2023 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590967#Comment_120590967

This part seams interesting particuarly the costs

Phipps said 2021 costings he has seen for such a fleet of aircraft, a squadron of between eight to ten fighter jets with the primary radar system, would be in the region of US$360 million, (€329.5m) with an annual running cost of US$20m (€18m).

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590899#Comment_120590899

Credit to the RAF they have done a fantastic job in keeping the air space safe, and without any thanks, if its security we are worried about in the air we d do far worse than working with our closest neighbors. Who have arguably the best airforce in the world.

It's no surprise we are decades without a major incidents.

The up roar over it is hilarious just shows security isn't the main concern.

Flinty997 · 13-05-2023 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590967#Comment_120590967

Quite damming. It's not likely DPER acting independently either.

".....Regardless of those machinations and the gnashing of teeth over the supposed deal with the British, all that will become redundant fallacy if Ireland’s military security apparatus is found wanting when a critical incident arises..."

The very minimum is the Radar and ancillaries.

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 02:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120590988#Comment_120590988

If that is accurate and current within the AC it’s some interesting figures, seems to be much lower than what we’ve seen before, though off the top of my head that operational coatings seem to be closer to the M346 suggestion to the Commission than operating Gripens?

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591364#Comment_120591364

You must have a stack high of articles at this point.

And yet..

No fighter jets or progress towards them to be seen.

Into the bargain Ireland remains as safe as ever without this equipment.

The deal with the RAF is working flawlessly.

0 major incidents.

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591364#Comment_120591364

I find it genuinely amazing though the level of mental gymnastics performed by you and your buddies to convince yerselves that everyone that disagrees with ye is a troll.

Surely ye LL get an award to recognize your length of service 5 years on the same thread banging the same drum truly is a feat.

Probably gotta be contender for the longest consecutive echo chamber in history too!

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591364#Comment_120591364

I’d be surprised if the AC was still using anything priced from then, in aviation 20 years is an entirety. I would have assumed if might have been internal work for the Commission?

Speaking of 9/11, I wonder what options were considered then before we did nothing?

Flinty997 · 13-05-2023 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591364#Comment_120591364

...and 9/11 no doubt...

Last I checked, and last time this thread discussed the running costs across the various options in any published articles were quite old even back then. Recent event have lots of nations rushing to a common more expensive platform. Defence budgets have been increased. Its a different landscape now.

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591818#Comment_120591818

We have the costings put forward for the option of the M346 (well we have what the company says it would cost), and we have the ball park numbers/figures from a previous AC General for a mor capable option, so I doubt the AC is using 20 year old figures. While I don’t have it up right now the figure quoted in the Journal reminds me of the Italian option and costs more than Gripens.

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591823#Comment_120591823

It’s not like we couldn’t have afforded it then (or any time since the 90s), but very Bertie to stick us with marginal at best AA guns and think that solved the issue. I’ve often wondered if we had kept the budget in or around the 1% circa end of the Troubles what we would be looking at now in terms of what the DF would be?

roadmaster · 13-05-2023 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591823#Comment_120591823

The M346 is 25/30 million per unit so it probably was them

Ozymandius2011 · 13-05-2023 06:05PM

I think we need to remember our own history and how our independence came about by force. Some of those who support neutrality, such as PBP, seem to do so from a pacifistic perspective, also opposing an increase in defence spending. Such an approach would leave Ireland defenceless in case of Russian or other aggression.

There is a danger of Ireland being used as a launchpad to attack the UK and other European neighbours. There is also a danger that the transatlantic telecommunication-cables are being mapped and mined by the Russian navy. There have been reports I heard recently on RTE Radio 1 that analysts believe Russia has mined essential infrastructure throughout Europe.

jonnybigwallet · 13-05-2023 07:03PM

I suppose something will get done eventually....Just hope they don't go for the absolute minimum.

Flinty997 · 13-05-2023 07:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592251#Comment_120592251

Isn't that where we are currently.

purplepanda · 13-05-2023 07:19PM

I seem to remember when a levy on aviation carriers was previously mentioned to finance Ireland 's air policing duties, Ryanair MD Michael O'Leary & the aviation sector had a massive tantrum.

I think some of the cost of air policing really should be implemented on the aviation industries, the multinational corporations paying low rates of taxes on profits should also be forced to contribute towards the cost of Ireland's defence forces.

sparky42 · 13-05-2023 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592261#Comment_120592261

Nah, we aren’t even at a bare minimum at the moment, we have to work up to that.

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 10:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591915#Comment_120591915

Ah yes Ireland is going to be used as a launch pad to attack the UK, meanwhile in reality the Russians cant project power past there own doorstep.

This of course is completely ignoring the fact that no one is relying on Ireland to protect critical infrastructure, nor will they ever.

Serious over estimation of Ireland position on the global stage in regards to military according to the notions on here we are absolutely vital which is genuinely laugh out loud stuff.

The only reason we are taking about the russians doing anything to cables is because the UK military and the US military are all over it as its important to them.

delusiondestroyer · 13-05-2023 10:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120592336#Comment_120592336

If there was any realistic threat that definitely needed policing they would be campaigning for it but there isnt... as proven by decades of safe skys.

O'Leary is no fool he wont pay for nonsense like that and rightly so, having gobshites flying around in jets unnecessarily just so the air corps can feel good about itself and combat imaginary threats they made up themselves.

saabsaab · 14-05-2023 12:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120593594#Comment_120593594

Of course they are! We should be too. As for the Russians they don't seem to be able enough but who knows what can happen. At least we should have a certain capacity to defend ourselves.

Larbre34 · 14-05-2023 12:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120591520#Comment_120591520

What deal?

delusiondestroyer · 14-05-2023 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120594531#Comment_120594531

None that you would be privy to only people in certain channels and people that are tuned in and up to date know about it.

Larbre34 · 14-05-2023 01:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120594893#Comment_120594893

So to know about it, you must know about it, yeah?

You're so satisfied that this deal adequately protects our territory and interests, I'm assuming you know all about the details?

So instead of dismissing all the legitimate concerns of other posters here, tell us about what you know that we do not?

Share the reasons for your boundless confidence and self-satisfaction so that we too might see the light!

Because someone so smug could only be 'in the know'. Right?

sparky42 · 14-05-2023 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120595752#Comment_120595752

I do wonder with the increased attention, just how long the current policy of denying any details on "National Security" is going to hold up to be honest? I mean at least it's going to come up next time Martin is before the Committee, what's he going to do, say "National Security" to every question?

sparky42 · 14-05-2023 02:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120595790#Comment_120595790

Indeed, and that should be the least he does given it’s importance and the ambiguity around the whole thing, but so far there’s been no suggestion of such, when’s the next scheduled hearing I wonder?

jonnybigwallet · 14-05-2023 02:57PM

I somehow doubt that that fella has any inside knowledge at all. Probably a PBP activist who just happened upon the thread and wants to piss everyone off. Deeply unpatriotic into the bargain.

delusiondestroyer · 14-05-2023 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120595723#Comment_120595723

Why am i so confident our airspace is so secure ? Let me see.... decades on decades without any major incident for one without any fighter jets.

Im simply asking those who are campaigning so hard for jets to give me examples of these "severe" threats we are facing on a daily basis so much so they describe our need for fighter aircraft as "urgent"

All i get back is vague nonsense about "hybrid threats" and other shite one lad referencing ww2 and scrawls of irish Times articles.. ffs.. of course i know asking these questions that there is no consistent threat of note to Ireland to warrant spending on fighter jets our decades apon decades of safe skies gives testament to my claims.

Its not my fault asking people about imaginary threats triggers people.

And apparently having common sense is unpatriotic these days to laughable.

Mr Disco · 14-05-2023 03:12PM

Why didn’t they purchase ex RAF Harrier jump jets with their multi role aspect they would have been perfect

jonnybigwallet · 14-05-2023 03:15PM

True Mr disco

Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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