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Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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    Registered Users Posts: 19,188 ✭✭✭✭ Kermit.de.frog


    Surely it's time to grow up and defend our own airspace?

    I see some on here jerking off to more propeller porn and it's embarrassing.

    I have no interest in the Air Corps and think it should be disbanded if this does not happen soon.

    It's pointless and a waste of money. Out source it to the RAF - would be cheaper.


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    Protect them from who ? Why fighter jets ? They are more or less obsolete, Drones are the future.

    Jets are expensive are you willing to pay more taxes?


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    ted1 wrote: »
    Protect them from who ? Why fighter jets ? They are more or less obsolete, Drones are the future.

    Jets are expensive are you willing to pay more taxes?

    Look, forget it. Disband the so called Air Corps.

    The RAF will do it for us. I'd be happy with that.


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    I have no interest in the Air Corps

    Kinda holed your own canoe with that one.

    Even so, in a country with over 3,000 homeless children one will have a difficult time persuading people to spend tens or hundreds of millions on jets to "defend our own airpsace" against something.


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    ted1 wrote: »
    Protect them from who ? Why fighter jets ? They are more or less obsolete, Drones are the future.

    Jets are expensive are you willing to pay more taxes?

    Look, forget it. Disband the so called Air Corps.

    The RAF will do it for us. I'd be happy with that.
    You clearly have no ideas of the role of the Aer corp.


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    Kinda holed your own canoe with that one.

    Even so, in a country with over 3,000 homeless children one will have a difficult time persuading people to spend tens or hundreds of millions on jets to "defend our own airpsace" against something.


    And yet you are probably the same person who will scream neutrality at every turn.

    We must abandon neutrality as we can not defend our neutrality.


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    ted1 wrote: »
    You clearly have no ideas of the role of the Aer corp.


    RAF needs to protect us. We don't need or want an Air Corps that is not serious about protection.

    Let the RAF do it. As a taxpayer, delighted.


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    ted1 wrote: »
    You clearly have no ideas of the role of the Aer corp.


    RAF needs to protect us. We don't need or want an Air Corps that is not serious about protection.

    Let the RAF do it. As a taxpayer, delighted.
    Protection from who?
    How many jets would we need to protect us, how many airports would we need.

    Tactical ballistic strikes prior to an attack would take the jets out before they leave their hanger.


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    ted1 wrote: »
    Protection from who?
    How many jets would we need to protect us, how many airports would we need.

    Tactical ballistic strikes prior to an attack would take the jets out before they leave their hanger.

    I already said the Royal Air Force should do the job. Simple.

    Be happy with that. No confidence in our Air Corps.


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    Surely it's time to grow up and defend our own airspace?

    I see some on here jerking off to more propeller porn and it's embarrassing.

    I have no interest in the Air Corps and think it should be disbanded if this does not happen soon.

    It's pointless and a waste of money. Out source it to the RAF - would be cheaper.

    Against what?

    This gets mentioned pretty regularly but it seems people never appreciate the costs of keeping a couple of fast jets on Quick Reaction Alert.


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    I already said the Royal Air Force should do the job. Simple.

    Be happy with that. No confidence in our Air Corps.

    Be fair. The Aer Corp provides a good ambulance service here in the west, and can be seen occasionally flying overhead on a Thursday when large amounts of cash is being transported from bank to bank.


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    I already said the Royal Air Force should do the job. Simple.

    Be happy with that. No confidence in our Air Corps.

    So in the absolute worst case scenario with the RAF providing 'defence' who gives the shootdown order for a jet in our airspace - the British PM or would you expect RAF jets to be under Irish command when operating in Irish air space?


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    Jawgap wrote: »
    So in the absolute worst case scenario with the RAF providing 'defence' who gives the shootdown order for a jet in our airspace - the British PM or would you expect RAF jets to be under Irish command when operating in Irish air space?

    I thought we were neutral?

    Do you accept the premise a neutral should be able to defend it's neutrality?

    Switzerland anyone?

    Abandon neutral and accept Ireland has never been serious about it's own protection and hand it to the RAF. Much cheaper to contract out for the taxpayer.


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    If you are wondering what I think the Air Corps should do.

    Buy 18 top fighter jets.

    Upgrade facilities.

    Employ the needed personell.

    Then i'll take them seriously.

    Until then we are reliant on the UK.


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    I thought we were neutral?

    Do you accept the premise a neutral should be able to defend it's neutrality?

    Switzerland anyone?

    Abandon neutral and accept Ireland has never been serious about it's own protection and hand it to the RAF. Much cheaper to contract out for the taxpayer.

    The Swiss Air Force, GBOL.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/19/swiss-air-force-ethiopian-airlines-hijacking-office-hours


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    Switzerland are neutral but have jets, I hear them flying nearby here all the time.


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    Switzerland are neutral but have jets, I hear them flying nearby here all the time.

    Not at lunch time you don't.


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    We would be better fixing the lack of quality radar first and then invest and redevelop baldonnell to a high standard ,
    New hangars , tower ,radar , runways,
    It's embarrassing as a nation in 2018 in the EU that we literally cannot patrol/ defend our own skies , waters or borders ,
    A lot would need to be done first before bringing in fast jets ,


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    McGaggs wrote: »
    Not at lunch time you don't.

    Actually that's not true......

    .....its after 1700 and weekends you don't hear them :D

    As long as any prospective intruder sticks to business hours the Swiss should be fine.


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    I thought we were neutral?

    Do you accept the premise a neutral should be able to defend it's neutrality?

    Switzerland anyone?

    Abandon neutral and accept Ireland has never been serious about it's own protection and hand it to the RAF. Much cheaper to contract out for the taxpayer.

    No, we're not neutral - we've never been neutral.

    We're non-aligned.

    And what exactly is the threat we're defending against, in your view?


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    Nobody has been able to name a credible threat to our airspace.

    If there's money to spend on fighter jets (White Elephants!) then the money would be better spent building homes for our citizens.

    Troll time again perhaps...


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    If you are wondering what I think the Air Corps should do.

    Buy 18 top fighter jets.

    Upgrade facilities.

    Employ the needed personell.

    Then i'll take them seriously.

    Until then we are reliant on the UK.

    Actually, you can double that number - the RAF has about 35 Typhoons on the QRA mission to keep two at constant 24 hour readiness.

    Of your 18 jets - 6, at any given time, will be undergoing maintenance, leaving 12......you need at least two for QRA, plus two spares.....that leaves 8......you're always going to get hangar queens, so figure 2 of them.....leaves you with a paltry 6 for training, operational conversion etc

    Also, you can add two tankers to your list.


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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Actually, you can double that number - the RAF has about 35 Typhoons on the QRA mission to keep two at constant 24 hour readiness.

    Of your 18 jets - 6, at any given time, will be undergoing maintenance, leaving 12......you need at least two for QRA, plus two spares.....that leaves 8......you're always going to get hangar queens, so figure 2 of them.....leaves you with a paltry 6 for training, operational conversion etc

    Also, you can add two tankers to your list.


    Dinny & Topaz will supply the Tankers.


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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Dinny & Topaz will supply the Tankers.

    How's Dinny going to convince the Canadians to give us some Topaz branded tankers?


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    Let's just have an injection of a little realism here -

    Republic of Ireland GDP for 2017 - $88.577 Billion.

    Switzerland GDP for last public record year - $659 Billion.

    Switzerland has almost 800 years of self-reliance, culminating in the middle of the 19thC when the modern form of nationwide militia forces was to all intents and purposes, set in concrete.

    Switzerland is not not-aligned, Switzerland IS neutral.

    Unlike the RoI, that can place the weight of dealing with an aerial aggressor on a nearby friendly nation - the UK - Switzerland has nobody to help out except themselves. They do not have any form of shared national defence responsibilities with any other nation.

    In their little hideaway country, surrounded by the tallest mountains in Europe, they are totally self-sufficient, and intend to keep it that way.

    They have their own military industry for guns from .22Cal up to 155mm, and all the military watches and knives you could ever want.

    Per capita of the population, in all the world, only Israel has more people eligible for military service, and that is because the IDF has women in it. The Swiss Armed forces, TMK, do not.

    tac


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    tac foley wrote: »
    Let's just have an injection of a little realism here -

    Republic of Ireland GDP for 2017 - $88.577 Billion.

    Switzerland GDP for last public record year - $659 Billion.

    Switzerland has almost 800 years of self-reliance, culminating in the middle of the 19thC when the modern form of nationwide militia forces was to all intents and purposes, set in concrete.

    Switzerland is not not-aligned, Switzerland IS neutral.

    Unlike the RoI, that can place the weight of dealing with an aerial aggressor on a nearby friendly nation - the UK - Switzerland has nobody to help out except themselves. They do not have any form of shared national defence responsibilities with any other nation.

    In their little hideaway country, surrounded by the tallest mountains in Europe, they are totally self-sufficient, and intend to keep it that way.

    They have their own military industry for guns from .22Cal up to 155mm, and all the military watches and knives you could ever want.

    Per capita of the population, in all the world, only Israel has more people eligible for military service, and that is because the IDF has women in it. The Swiss Armed forces, TMK, do not.

    tac

    88Billion Tac that sounds wrong
    Switzerland GDP for 2016 659.8 billion USD
    Ireland GDP for 2016 294.1 billion USD
    We shouldn't be dependent on any nation the UK in particular although relations are good now no one knows what will happen in the future
    Although France may have good relations with Germany now would they trust them with their complete airdefence No, you should not put your trust in a country that once occupied you.


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    If you are wondering what I think the Air Corps should do.

    Buy 18 top fighter jets.

    Upgrade facilities.

    Employ the needed personell.

    Then i'll take them seriously.

    Until then we are reliant on the UK.


    Even 2-4 eurofighters and we'd be set, just something to stop those pesky Russians from playing hopscotch over Ireland whenever they please.


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    We shouldn't be dependent on any nation the UK in particular although relations are good now no one knows what will happen in the future
    Although France may have good relations with Germany now would they trust them with their complete airdefence No, you should not put your trust in a country that once occupied you.

    You do know that many of the EU nations are integrating their forces, for example the Dutch and German Navies/Marines are integrating, think the Benelux countries are working at integrating their air defences for example.


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    sparky42 wrote: »
    You do know that many of the EU nations are integrating their forces, for example the Dutch and German Navies/Marines are integrating, think the Benelux countries are working at integrating their air defences for example.

    Lots of countries talking about cross-decking their F-35s (and other airframes) too......then there's Baltic and other air policing missions that NATO are involved in.


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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Lots of countries talking about cross-decking their F-35s (and other airframes) too......then there's Baltic and other air policing missions that NATO are involved in.

    And the NATO airlift, and the proposed EU one and the tanker sharing... So yeah it's not impossible (and if we actually funded the DF enough it would make sense for us as well).


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    Even 2-4 eurofighters and we'd be set, just something to stop those pesky Russians from playing hopscotch over Ireland whenever they please.

    Austria has exactly 15 Eurofighters & they can only just about get them Airborne for a tiny bit of training. Its a real problem for the Austrian Air Force to actually keep them flying.

    Quote"Continued operation of the 15 Eurofighter Typhoon jets would cost between €4.4 billion (U.S. $5 billion) and €5.1 billion (U.S. $5.8 billion) over 30 years, according to the expert commission. And that's without taking into account "the specific cost risks" associate with Tranche 1"


    Read this: https://warisboring.com/austria-has-no-business-flying-these-high-performance-fighters/

    Read this: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/07/07/austria-set-to-replace-eurofighter-typhoons/


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