2023 Irish EV Sales

Of course not, how would a new windscreen, puncture repair, crash repair be fixed OTA 🙃

It's 4 years old also and you'd be doing well to fix a clicking door hinge by an OTA pal 😂 Hope the servicing, timing belts, oil changes, petrol costs, tax aren't too much hassle for you in your lovely Nissan 😜

‘in your lovely Nissan’

Can you just imagine how much you compound the stigma of the Tesla brand when you talk like this in public?

190 m3 Irish deliveries in 7 months should be enough to tell you that this stuff matters to people. They all had a choice to make - and choose something else.

that smirk that says ‘you’ve made the wrong choice’ - but those buyers just didn’t want to be associated with such smugness

Don't agree with ramping up motor tax as the only disincentive. This penalises people who can only afford older cars disproportionately. These cars are already on the road.

The goal should be to stop new ice cars being bought so think a massive ramp in emissions based VRT would be a fairer system as it gives people a choice of whether to pay the tax or not.

Would need to look at exemptions/ discounts for people that need to fit a wheelchair in the back or things like that.

Also clean air zones in built up areas could be good for health. Think they have this in France already. Keep the dirty diesels out of cities.

Increasing motor tax on ice cars just serves to repeat the situation we’ve had for 15 years now whereby someone (usually lesser off people) with a pre-2007 car pay substantially higher road tax than the same post ‘08 car.

ultimately until there needs to be a critical mass of EV’s to implement a weight-based road tax, with e.g an electric SUV paying more than the current level, and a Zoe paying less.

even if 60% of new car sales were BEV today, it’s still only adding about 50,000 EVs annually into a national fleet of about 2.5m taxed vehicles (2% per year). We’re many many years away from critical mass in the national fleet.

What tax?

Maybe not the fairest, a heavy high torque EV will cause far more wear and tear than a small l one litre over the same distance.

also single occupancy cars cause more traffic than a multi occupant car.

I agree penalizing retired folks, younger people,or those on low incomes isn't fair. The goal should be to sell less ice.

This can be done using the existing VRT system, simply increase all bands above the 0 one by 20% a year from now until they're all gone.

Leave more tax alone, not fair to punish people in 2033 for some one else's decision to buy a new diesel in 2023

and the ID4 is only 3-400 sales off 2nd place.

Given the big price cuts since mid Jan, the model 3 is surprisingly one of the biggest drops in year on year sales, down 48% to just 259 deliveries, at no.83 in overall YTD sales. Model Y at no.23

I think a lot of the posts were because there were problems getting them....🙂

Today I drove 14km and saw 6 ID.4s not including mine, plus a few other MEB cars (and not it didn't drive past a charging hub 😉)

I feel like not being able to drive 3km without seeing an ID.4 is about as good a summary of sale figures as it gets

A quick scan of the MY buyers on boards and you can see the number of people getting out of an M3 and into a MY.

considering they’ve only delivered 800 MY all year, there’s got to be 1-200 of those sales coming from existing Tesla owners.

In addition, you only have to see the top selling cars to see that midsize EVs are top of the list. The m3 being a small 4 door sedan will count hard against it and folks who only want a Tesla will be easily swayed to the MY.

one other point, as seen in the low sales numbers, is that tesla buyers tend to only have eyes for a Tesla, and there aren’t nearly as many of those buyers as all the hype would suggest. If they’ve got €40k to spend on the m3, they've probably got €3k more or whatever to get the more practical one.

there’s genuinely no doubt that the MY is a big competitor to the m3.

‘Rebound’ to what though - they peaked at No.26 in the sales volume charts in 2022. They were no.34 & 36 in 2020 and 2021 respectively. It’s always been very low volume. A new front & rear bumper, and maybe even another price cut, will add some sales, just like it would for any midlife refresh, but they won’t rebound in any material way.

The ID7 looks to be a far larger cat than the Model 3, don't think they'll be in the same car class at all.