2023 Irish EV Sales

liamog

Strong start to the year by Hyundai, overall car sales are up 9.39% on last year with a 36.5% increase in EV Sales. BEVs were 13.46% of sales for Jan.

the_amazing_raisin

What's up with Tesla? Delivery backlog, or are they still only shipping cars every 3 months?

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190685#Comment_120190685

Delivery not due until early March. I wonder about the one Model 3 that was registered in Jan and how that came about.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190685#Comment_120190685

Exactly, Tesla don't make an effort to deliver for our new reg plates. I think it's usually Feb/March and Sep when they do deliveries. You'll hear claims that's it due to pushing for end of quarter sales but I think they're just aligning with UK reg plates.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190704#Comment_120190704

Ah okay, I thought the quarterly deliveries were done away with since Giga Berlin was up and running

the_amazing_raisin

Not exactly a brilliant start to the year for VW group, sales pretty much static on last year for the overall MEB cars

Some cars going up, others going down in sales

I'm guessing they're maxed out on what they can supply at the moment

Killer K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190710#Comment_120190710

Tesla shipping from Shanghai to Irish market. Not sure with increased demand whether this will change in time.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190722#Comment_120190722

They're still upgrading factories at the moment, next one is Wolfsburg which should start doing ID.3 Facelifts sometime this year

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190705#Comment_120190705

You can compare the trends here. It seems they push for those quarters virtually in all countries (data is not 100% accurate but nice website nevertheless).

https://eu-evs.com/brandCharts/TESLA/ALL/YoY-Chart

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190805#Comment_120190805

Well they've got 3 now, Zwickau, Emden and Hannover. Admittedly the last two are shared production with ICE cars, and Hannover is only making the Buzz

Of course they're making cars for all of Europe, so maybe it isn't a supply issue so much as the allocation for Ireland has been maxed out for now

EDIT: I looked up @innrain's charts for VW and it looks like volumes have been steadily going up for the last year and biggest quarter ever was Q3 2022

https://eu-evs.com/brandCharts/VOLKSWAGEN/ALL/Volumes-Quarterly

TitianGerm

Ioniq 5 is the 10th best selling car so far this year.

Meant to be a lot of deliveries in February as well so could be still the top selling EV next month.

Very poor numbers from Toyota for the BZ considering the postponement of deliveries last year.

kanuseeme

10th best selling car is good, yet 10th best selling EV is poor, very little difference between 6th place and 10th and even all the way down to the 20th somethings

I think the figures overall are disappointing, petrol and diesel numbers are up, should they not be going down?

fits

26 ID.3 versus 104 Cupra born. !

ouch.

Fingleberries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190725#Comment_120190725

For now, I think Berlin is only making Left-hand drive Model Y.

I'm sure that will change in the future, though, just probably not for the next few quarters.

Mike2006

My take on this is that it is difficult to take anything from these lists at the moment as in general terms, supply cannot meet demand.

I am not surprised to see Hyundai off to a good start to the year - they have some good products and back in December their forecourts were full of EVs awaiting early Jan delivery.

Others cannot get enough EVs into the country to meet the customer demand and would have really good figures if they had enough supply (MG are likely to be in this basket)

VW ID3 - not surprised on poor results. There are lots of other better options for the same money - Cupra, Hyundai and MG will take customers away from them.

When the next ship-load of Teslas land, the rankings will change again, especially with the recent price drop across their 3 and Y range...

Taycan is a major win for Porsche - landing customers that were probably never on their radar before. Same can be said for MG..

We are probably a couple of years away from seeing exactly where the new-buy EV market lies with the general buyer (as opposed to us early/mid adopters)

Mike

Berty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191615#Comment_120191615

I would say that those who might have wanted a BEV or even PHEV were knocked back so much by waiting for very long delivery dates were told "If you take a Petrol/Diesel you will have it quicker" so possibly they decided to have a car sooner than later. I'd also believe that the fact that deliveries on most cars were delayed production that these "sales" are really delayed deliveries so unlike previous years they're not spread out as much as they would have been.

I waited 10 months on a Diesel and was told they cannot even tell me a year it might be built so cancelled it, tried to order a PHEV, told they're not taking orders, ordered another PHEV(delivery maybe April) but was phoned a few times with options to take a petrol, mild hybrid or even a Diesel if I want it within a matter of days. This is over a span of maybe 18 months. Last phone call was last week from my Hyundai dealer saying "If I take the car in Petrol and in white I can have it within 3 days or continue to wait for a PHEV in black".

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191615#Comment_120191615

Bit of an odd one alright, maybe a bunch of company cars getting registered? Or perhaps dealerships had some stock they were looking to get rid of and were offering deals?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191794#Comment_120191794

I'd say there's also a bunch of folks on PCP who were going to trade in for an EV but with supply issues, price hikes and interest rates going up they're deciding to kick the can down the road another couple of years

brownej

Looking at the numbers it looks like BMW have really jumped in EV volumes. 40% of their cars shipped in January were EVs. Driven by the I4.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192074#Comment_120192074

Lucky for them that ICEs can still be bought, otherwise the used car market would be under even further pressure. Really need to see ramp up in EV supply over next coupe of years

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192074#Comment_120192074

it comes from the PHEVs as they've seen the highest drop in sales. The biggest looser is Tucson with 33%. It is either availability either people realized it is too expensive for the "savings" so better get a diesel. Also the overall sales is up 9% so basically 9% YOY as it is for diesel means constant. To be noted that ICE buyers are of more traditional type chasing the 231 reg while the EV ones will mostly get the car when it is available.

Aiyra sales disappoints being even behind Taycan. CHAdeMO is at 4.4% market share. less than 1 in 20

kanuseeme

I was just looking at the Tucson stats

2023 2022

Diesel 925 834 10.91%

(Hybrid) 510 524 −2.67%

phev 302 456 −33.77%

37 k for a diesel, 40 k for the hybrid and 43.5 k for the phev, in fairness if you wanted an automatic the hybrid or phev would be great value compared to the diesel automatic at 47 k

The vrt bands/motor tax, need to be adjusted more

Why should any one purchase anything other than a diesel at those prices.

brownej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120193207#Comment_120193207

How much of the hybrid market for the Tuscon has been canibalised by the Ioniq 5. They are a similar class of car. It might not be that obvious in 1 month of stats due to availability issues of the electric, but a longer term analysis over 6 months should tell alot

Berty

I bought the exec plus PHEV Tucson. Was offered a diesel and petrol since ordering , offered an NLine Phev as well, would have been in it by now but I'm still waiting. So for price I will be paying a LOT more than comfort plus manual buyers but hey go, it's what I want.

innrain

2,219   EVs registered in February 16.86% market share. Id.4 is back on top as is VW for manufactures

Mike2006

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301377#Comment_120301377

Thats a strong start for VW.

Tesla deliveries in March - hard to know if they will sell more than 650 to take the top spot by the end of March...

fits

I think they will. Everyone seems to have one in order.

brownej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301443#Comment_120301443

Its hardly the top spot if they only ship more than 650 in March. If Tesla only have 2 deliveries to Ireland in the year, March and September while the others are shipping throughout the year then Tesla will need to outsell the cumulative of the previous months to truly claim top spot.

kanuseeme

The good old leaf is still doing well.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301890#Comment_120301890

One of the few EVs for under €30k, and if you're not planning to go over 200km in a day then it's an easy winner

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301546#Comment_120301546

Yeah it's hard to argue against the value of a Tesla after the latest price drops

D_D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301890#Comment_120301890

Still a 40% drop year on year

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120302282#Comment_120302282

Its only trajectory, very little between No 3 and the No 10 spot, I think it will hold its position in the top 10 till they stop selling them.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120302282#Comment_120302282

It's a 26.62% drop in sales. With BeepBeep you need to set the month filter otherwise it compares Jan-Feb 2023 vs Jan-March 2022.

the_amazing_raisin

Did they stop taking orders on Leafs around August last year? I seem to remember there was some talk about that

If so then the drop in sales was down to lack of availability than demand

Quite likely that Nissan is starting to shift resources over to the more profitable Ariya

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120302533#Comment_120302533

I agree, I know it gets a lot of flak for being outdated technology (and let's be honest, it is pretty dated) but it's got the right combination of relative affordability, decent enough range to do 95% of your driving on a single charge, and has good availability

innrain

There are more i4s than Leafs registered this year.

The Leaf's market share for the last 4 years. Seems to halve YoY so 2.5% or less at the end of 2023? Considering there will be 3 and Y coming in top 10 close to the bottom, I'm guessing the Leaf will loose top10 by the end of the year but not by much.

id.3 surprisingly low in number even though VW said they have sold all the manufacturing capacity for 2023 it does not reflect to Irish numbers. ID.4 is the best sold VW product, while Hyundai sold more electrics than petrols but much less than diesels. Skoda is the brand with the most diesels registered this year. I think it is the first time when petrol HEVs are loosing market share but probably is too early in the year to start the party especially when there is a big jump in diesel HEVs.

the_amazing_raisin

Well if there's more cars on the market and your sales are static then you lose market share

Gets even worse when sales go down like the Leaf, but I still think it's got some life left

I think VW weren't taking orders for the facelift ID.3 which starts production around August. So 2023 production is really 8 months worth

Don't quote me on that though, I might have my wires crossed 😅

Padraig Mor

After all the hype, surprising to see the Tesla Model Y 'only' had 479 registrations in Q1 (admittedly pretty much all in the last two weeks, but what happened to the 800 that was mentioned?), and beaten to the EV Q1 crown by the ID4.

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120425422#Comment_120425422

The 800 weren't all model Y's - lots of Model 3's sold too.

innrain

3,421 new EVs registered last month representing 19.35% of the total (1 in 5). Overall 231 EVs 9,303 or 16% market share.

top 10 brands March 2023

Top 10 models March 2023

brownej

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120425659#Comment_120425659

190 Model 3s. Makes a total of 678 teslas registered this year.

Electric is up 49% for the first 3 months of the year compared to last year.

Big winners are VW up 134%, BMW and Skoda up 320% although from a low base last Jan to Mar. Good showing from Volvo and Renault too up more than 100% from last year.

Tesla is pretty much flat up 2% compared to the first 3 months last year. This is disappointing and represents a decrease in EV market share from 10.5% to 7.3% compared with the first 3months of 2022.

Kias EV sales are down 24% to 760 and Nissan continues to see the decline in sales as Leaf sales fall off a cliff down 44%.

Irelands love of VWs continues.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120425422#Comment_120425422

How did you get that info before anyone else?

A lot of hype yes, same people posting in 5 different threads, sales of the 3 were hampered by the Y, the test will be the rest of the year, monthly figures are not be all and end all, the bz4 and leaf sold more this year than the 3, its the next 8 months that matter.

n.d.os

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192074#Comment_120192074

I agree with this. I was looking for an EV in November 22 at the end of my PCP. Nothing was available new or used so I bought another ICE. The EV market completely opened up in the first half of this year so in the last 4 months I've bought an ICE car, sold it, and bought an EV in March.

I don't think there is much of a supply issue with VW like a lot of people are suggesting. I think people are just looking at the ID3 and ID4 now and weighing it up against their competitors. Every family in Ireland seems to be buying a Hyundai Ioniq 5 at the moment.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435545#Comment_120435545

The ID3 is getting a facelift so no deliveries for a while.

the sales dont support your ioniq 5 observation. Judging by the amount of new Tesla chargers on my road there’s still lots of people waiting for a M3 or MY

KCross

The YTD electric figures are a bit of an anti-climax in terms of Tesla. Tesla delivered 678, almost identical to Q1 2022 so no real ramp up/improvement.

There is all the hype and rollercoaster threads on here about Tesla deliveries and price drops etc... I was expecting a 4 digit number, yet VW delivered 3 times as many ID.4's with no fuss. Lots of other OEM's delivering similar and higher numbers as Tesla (Hyundai doing well)

I do wonder about Tesla's ability to scale up the numbers here. A couple of staff in Dublin just doesn't cut it. Maybe if/when they get the Cork office up and running they will start to compete.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435778#Comment_120435778

As one poster here somewhere said "we love VW" or similar, I think you could stick in any brand name, the leaf or the Bz4 are not the best but they are not American or a new entrant.

breeno

The views of Tesla on here can be a bit cult like and don't always reflect the views of Joe public. Some people are wary of build quality issues. Some people are wary of the giant screen controlling most things and being a bit distracting. Even Elon plays a part. One of my best mates cancelled an order for Elon related reasons and went VW.

ongarite

Ioniq 5 stock is again a huge problem. Huge dump of stock in Q1 and that it with no more new orders again until 2024. Exact same scenario as last year.

VW have the dealer network & the stock to dominate the EV market here.

mun1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435778#Comment_120435778

Firstly , yes i have bought and collected a tesla MY LR in last few weeks for an excellent price. (Before the current fiasco regarding the “flash sale” which tesla are not honouring).

on the Q1 figures, don't forget Tesla will get another big bump in September with similar if not better sales as they only currently do end of Q1 and end of Q3 deliveries to ROI.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120435778#Comment_120435778

I wonder if the Jan price drop was just too late for cars to be shipped for March deliveries. We're looking at 50% growth in overall EV sales compared to the same time last year, it looks like it's currently the Germans driving most of that growth.