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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,166 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He is admitting that everything Cohen said was correct. I'm not sure that is the win he thinks it is.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This is purely an intimidation tactic , trying to get Cohen to back down in fear of losing this suit.

    His suit against Cohen completely undermines his defence in the NY case.

    If Cohen "breached Confidentiality" that that mean that de facto what Cohen has said is true which defeats his defence in New York - If Cohen was lying then the potential charge would be defamation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Especially the part of the suit where it claims that Cohen talked publicly about the hush-money payments. Whatever about testifying before a closed hearing Grand Jury where the testimony is closed until a judge unseals it at a later date in court, to try such a suit when Cohen may be called to give testimony in any trial in open court as a witness. let alone in the suit he's apparently bringing against Cohen. "Your Honour, we don't like the honest answers Mr Cohen is giving me and my client, Mr Trump. Please direct him to give the answers I want". How does a lawyer proceed with a suit on behalf of a client like Trump? I presume any lawyer worth salt would insist in payment up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Even the attitude on here shifted to it is unimportant a while back when it became obvious he was guilty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The essential reason to go forward with a trial is to get a jury of his peers, R and D, to pass a just verdict that he is guilty as charged. Two follow-up reasons are to pass a sentence which will hurt him publicly by draining voter support from him AND lessening donor cash contributions to any fund he's connected to by name. If he's forced to resort to his own personal funds AND not donor cash to pay for his legal defence. the better it is.

    Tag him with a criminal court conviction label for life by way of a jury trial of his peers and not in his own chosen "lock her/him up" style of convicting people without a trial. Ensure, as far as possible, that like-minded people on the R front [which there seem to be dozens of] are dissuaded from following his style of politics. To use one of his political slogans, "drain the swamp" which he has made of the Republican party.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One of Trump's lawyers, Evan Corcoran, has had to recuse himself from acting for Trump in the Mar-A-Lago secret documents case as they lost an appeal court suit to overturn a ruling that Corcoran would have to testify before a Grand Jury hearing into the issue of Trump's possession of the documents at Mar-A-Lago. Corcoran will still be acting as attorney in Trumps other cases.

    In other news, Trumps campaign says that he raised $14.4 Million for it in the 1st quarter.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Fox news have settled with Dominiion for the tiny amount of $787,5MM. To put that in perspective Dominion valued themselves at between $30MM to $80MM and sued Fox for 1.6 billion and are still going after the likes of Rudy etc. Will be interesting to see how much things changes in reporting of Trump going forward based on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    I wouldn't expect much of a change

    They dropped out of favour with trump for a while and joined the fake news brigade.

    But like the GOP they have to appeal to their base viewers, even though they state that only people lacking in any reasonable intelligence, or worse believe anything some of their hosts say on their network



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Hard to know how much Rupert is involved these days as he is after all 90! However I can't believe that a man as ruthless as him must not be fuming with Trump at the moment and not want some vengeance. I assume they for the primary season at least ignore him and then see how it goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,976 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Pity he's outlasted his character in Succession.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    With one more court case due against Fox News Corp by another firm on the issue of Fox lying to the public with pro-Trump fake news and causing damage to the other firm as a result, the Fox News insurance coverage fund must be taking a deep hit now. I think a test on how much disfavour Trump is in with Fox News may be shown on how much pro-Trump material is shown on Fox in the next few months and which Fox News personality will be doing the presenting. If Trump items are going to appear/be shown on Fox News, there will probably be lead-out mention of the segments, even if they are publicized from Trump's own platform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump is the likely GOP candidate. Fox will be all over him, money talks and viewership critical.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Tucker Carlson just "parted ways" with Fox, now I can only really see two reasons. A) Fox told him to stop lying about Trump all the time to avoid another lawsuit or B) He's been given a really outragously good deal somewhere else but no clue who'd want him AND be able to afford him...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Worth waiting for US investigative journalists to dig out the reason and other media to release it verbatim, unless Donald rushes to his aid and torpedo's him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Its possible in the settled lawsuit with dominion a provision may have been Tucker had to go?

    He was not as all in as others were in the conservative ecosphere but he was obviously the most prominent.

    If it was his call to go I would assume he would at least got a farewell show.

    I dunno his plans now, OANN and Newsmax have massive lawsuits to deal with over the "stolen election" drivel so unlikely their.

    Dailywire would be a good shout, but he may just sit out for a while and see what happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Tucker leaks like hell tbf to journos across the political spectrum so we will know soon enough.

    Tucker from all accounts hates Trump so if the dominion lawsuit was the final straw would be hilarious especially as he is on record for saying its nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Is Jordan Klepper still the guest on The Daily Show? I'd love him to break this news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    No it's Desi Lydic this week she tends to go the old colbert route and satirise the GOP by taking everything to it's most extreme so will be a good one



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    None of them can afford to pay him what he was getting at Fox. There’s something huge brewing here, I hope.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    She is the producer who flipped sides so it is indirectly related to the whole dominion thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Its a few days after Carlson departure from Fox and the NYT has a report that some of the court filings of his text messages provided for the Dominion suit were redacted and the original text messages with their entire content had been discovered before the court hearing of the suit was to start.

    If the content of the NYT report is correct, I can see one immediate problem for the Fox legal team then and there and that's the alleged redacting: who did the redacting of the original Carlson texts And who then presented the redacted text material to the court/Dominion Co legal people? If there was just one group doing that for Fox and the facts about both sets of text messages becoming public, Fox would have to throw in the towel and get rid of the original offender to avoid having him in the witness box talking to Dominion lawyers about his text messages.

    Given the background all this is set in, its worth recalling the practice used by a particular person to stop people testifying in court about him and his alleged actions. $.

    The honesty contained in the Carlson text messages may also be equally in the replies from the message recipients and shown in the next suit/s against Fox News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The fact that they have had to publicly let it be known they are holding an file of dirt on tucker in case he starts being loose with his tongue makes it pretty obvious they are hiding quite a lot of terrible things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭amandstu


    So the big lady squeezer geezer has been found unanimously guilty of sexual assault and defamation by a jury of 9 in NY.


    What a c...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I wish this was a turning point and he’d be a pariah now. But his support will probably go up.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yes and No.

    It will probably harden his support among the MAGA set but they were already in the bag anyway.

    This will definitely make it harder for him to get the Independent voters in the swing States that he would need for victory.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I haven't looked into the particulars, but interesting that the charge of rape got a not-guilty. Guilty verdicts for everything else, but given one of the testimonies IIRC involved Trump trying to penetrate E. Carroll, it's ostensibly surprising that specific charge gave Trump the benefit of the doubt.

    As to support? The independent, swing voters will be gone - and it's debatable how powerful MAGA is these days as a voting demographic. TO muddy the water though: The democrats know that if Trump gets the nom, it's a shoe-in for Biden - or as close to it. Any other competent, telegenic GOP member as Candidate and Biden's in trouble. This court case might further erode support but better for America Trump let's populism die on the vine in 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,166 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He got the benefit of the doubt on the rape charge because Carroll was not certain if he penetrated her with his finger or his penis. For it to be rape in NY it must be the penis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Is there a republican that is competent and telegenic? Genuine question.

    The next in the polls is Ron , and he doesn't appear to be completely competent or telegenic. I can't imagine his anti-choice, cancel culture, anti-lgbt rhetoric hoovering up independent voters either.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Jesus. That's madness: reading that kind of logic always reminds why women can be so reluctant to press charges when it comes to sexual assault. Sorry your honour, I didn't take a moment to check exactly what he was pushing into me.

    (apologies to anyone reading this finding it excessively glib; no offence meant for those triggered)



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