Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Cnn Citation?

Again you haven't shown any citation, just your opinion. So it's your opinion that cnn are saying it's a weak case, rather than cnn actually saying it

Seeing as Trump will/may be facing trial in a non-federal court in New York on what are described as misdemeanor charges [34 in number] it's worth noting that while they aren't felony charges, misdemeanor charges - depending on their class - can individually earn a convicted person a locked-up time of between 2 weeks and nearly one year. Trump is facing 34 charges so if he's convicted of a large number and the judge sitting in the court decides the offences committed by Trump are serious enough and is convinced Trump knew in advance that the offences were criminal in nature, there is a fair to middling chance that Trump will spend time residing in a state prison, even if it's only while his legal team launch an appeal and [maybe] get him bailed.

I seen a poll where something like 60% feel its politically motivated and I agree. The problem however for Trump is while many may think this is flimsy in that poll the majority also agreed! Why?

Because while they may feel its soft they want him got on something and you can't blame anyone, the man has spent decades saying FU to the law etc. Its basically Al Capone taxes again!

However from what I have seen and not just in the echo chambers their is really serious stuff coming for him regarding Georgia and another rape case.

Ta for that. It might be worth while knowing if any of his lawyers - given their stated profession - knew enough to see he was engaged in criminal behaviour but did nothing to stop him or advise the court that their client was engaging in criminal offences while they were representing him before the same court. Cohen did prison time for lying to congress about the Russian interference with the 2016 election and his former client.

From 2021: “I will not cease my commitment to law enforcement. I will continue to provide information, testimony, documents and my full cooperation on all ongoing investigations to ensure that others are held responsible for their dirty deeds,” Cohen told reporters outside the New York City federal courthouse after his sentence was officially concluded.

Stewart gives a very good breakdown of why this isn't bigger news. The TV news need a moment, a picture to sell the story.

Trump in an orange jumpsuit would be it. But that didn't happen. Instead all we got was basically a boring legal hearing followed by a wait until December. During which nobody should really comment.

Even Trump knows that, hence the low key and frankly boring speech in Mar y lago afterward.

The TV news need an episode of CSI, but this is real life justice which moves slowly, is boring and procedural.

But while many on the GOP and Trump supporters attempt to claim this is nothing, yet another attack line is gone. He can't claim, well not credibly anyway to anyway but his core supporters, that he is out law and order. That he will 'lock her up'.

There's a media outlet titled Showbizz Daily running a story about another woman, Karen McDougal, a Playboy magazine model Trump was allegedly seeing around the same period [2006/2007] as Stormy Daniels. It's reported that DA Bragg investigated whether Karen McDougal also received hush money to keep quiet during the 2016 election period to avoid Trump losing votes, with two witnesses, who offered information about the McDougal case, giving testimony to the Grand Jury. The McDougal payment story is also in the Wall Street Journal.

It's reported a larger sum of money was paid to Karen than to Stormy, with it being routed through a non-disclosure deal with The National Inquirer owned by a friend of Trump. The Inquirer never printed anything about the alleged affair between Trump and McDougal. The story also mentions the payoff was done around the time Trumps wife gave birth to their son Barron. It's also reported that an investigation was carried out by authorities into the McDougal story in 2018 around the time the Stormy Daniels revelations broke.

Yeah, McDougal got $150,000. NDA doesn't hold if it's got to do with a crime.

Hopefully it'll now be a matter for more and more Republican voters to realise that Trump committed criminal acts in his bids to retain the presidency and accept that [in truth] he did it not for the party but for himself, that his trial for his attempt to corruptly steal the Georgia election should prove to be the nail in the coffin for his 2024 bid. The attempts made to buy the silence of women he had affairs with is the proof that Trump is corrupt from the core out, that loyalty to him is the measure he judges peoples' worth by.

They don't need to look at themselves ; just agree that another candidate has a better chance at winning the presidency.

As for being fooled they are probably as culpable as he is ,just never got the opportunity.

I dislike having to use the word "probably" but where Trump is concerned legally, I use it as he cant be counted as down and out yet. This is his latest legal move and probably is intended to ensure he remains visible to his supporters and stays in their electoral minds. Hope springs eternal etc.

FORMER US PRESIDENT Donald Trump has sued the key witness in his criminal case, accusing one-time lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen of “vast reputational harm” for talking publicly about the hush-money payments at the heart of the case. The lawsuit, filed in Miami, offered a preview of arguments that are sure to be featured in Trump’s defence against charges that he falsified internal business records to disguise payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign to silence claims of extramarital sexual encounters. The suit accused Cohen of breaking a confidentiality agreement he signed as a condition of his employment, violating ethical standards for lawyers and “spreading falsehoods” about Trump “with malicious intent and to wholly self-serving ends.”

It seeks more than half a billion dollars from Cohen. Trump is not specifically suing Cohen over his grand jury testimony in the criminal case, but he cites it in support of an argument that his ex-lawyer sought to profit from his role through the publication of two books, a podcast series and media appearances.

Cohen’s spokesman, lawyer Lanny Davis, said the lawsuit will not deter Cohen’s cooperation with prosecutors. “Mr Trump appears once again to be using and abusing the judicial system as a form of harassment and intimidation against Michael Cohen,” Davis said. “It appears he is terrified by his looming legal perils and is attempting to send a message to other potential witnesses who are cooperating with prosecutors against him.” JOURNAL.IE.....

The next two paragraphs are included in the Journal.ie report I took all this from and concern historical facts not necessarily directed to Trumps latest law suit against those he does not like or employ. The third sentence from Mr Davis seems to refer to Trumps latest law suit.

The suit is the latest effort by Trump to use the legal system to go after his political enemies and is another example of the former president turning on a once-loyal aide after their relationship imploded.

A judge in Florida sanctioned Trump and one of his lawyers in January, ordering them to pay nearly one million dollars for filing what he said was a bogus lawsuit against Trump’s 2016 rival Hillary Clinton and others.

Davis predicted this lawsuit would also fail.