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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Think Ukraine are doing it on purpose to draw the russians into kill zones with snipers and machineguns,and then reatreat while setting explosives in buildings to trap the russians in,or setting boobytraps etc.

    The majority of russian forces are in Bakhmut,so is their artillery,and the buildings is the only cover for Ukrainan forces there,but with very few buildings left there are very few places to hide for the russians too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,083 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's not exactly true to say that the majority of Russian forces are in Bakhmut, considering that this is famously Wagner's fight, primarily, and Russia has drafted in 100,000s of conscripts and there are various flashpoints along the whole front. It certainly looks like the most brutal fight, though, based on reports we've been seeing, and so long as Ukraine are inflicting high enough casualties on the Russians while suffering low enough casualties themselves, then the battle of Bakhmut may serve its purpose when all is said and done.

    Coming back on the 100,000s of Russian conscripts thing - do we have any idea how many are being thrown into active battle vs how many are being used to man defensive lines or logistical routes in preparation for the predicted Ukrainian counter-offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭macraignil


    In regard to the question of how many new conscripts are being thrown into battle the figures from the Ukraine armed forces show a drop off in the daily kill rate in recent days so it may be that the moskovytes are holding more back to allow a more orderly implementation of good will gestures when Ukraine starts its counter offensive.

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    Losses of equipment of all sorts by the moskovytes are adding up so many of the moskovytes may be stuck for a lift when trying to get back to moskow.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It is true that Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine and has lots of weapons. However, it is important to note that the annexation of Crimea and the occupation of Donbas are illegal under international law. Ukraine has the right to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. The conflict in Ukraine is not about neo-Nazis or Russians being orcs. It is about Ukraine’s right to choose its own path and future without external interference.

    Negotiations are always a good option to resolve conflicts peacefully. However, it is important to remember that negotiations should be based on respect for international law and human rights.

    The international community should continue to support Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This is a poster who believes in "the great reset" legitimate sources are unlikely to be forthcoming.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Never said that at all ,

    Where did you get the idea of I said ukraine should negotiate as they won't win,

    That's literally making it up as you go along



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Gatling you’re saying here Zelensky might have no choice soon but to negotiate.


    You’re softening your stance that you held all through this thread.


    You said on the Ukraine thread Russia will loose and Ukraine will be victorious.


    Total opposite of your post above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd say that by now, any agreements made previously with the Kremlin are null and void, and not worth the paper they are written on, and definitely none made a Russian installed puppet would stand up in any case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So Russia still has enough ammunition for the areas they focus their attacks just not enough for the entire frontline. Hopefully in the coming months their stock gets even lower.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,083 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It would be valid to ask how exactly Ukraine is even supposed to negotiate with an entity that has no respect for international law and procedure. As I said before, the only guarantee Ukraine could really benefit from is NATO membership because that's not dependent on Russia pinky-swearing not to attack for X amount of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    I looked now and don't see anything about Bakhmut falling.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wagners attacks the middle and in the city,while russian mobiks and some VDV elite paratroopers thats left from kiev retreat, covers the flanks,and artillery behind them again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The whirlwind advances Ukraine made last year pushing the Russians back to where they are now and mainly holding them there, is a remarkable feat in itself. I think that everyone thought that it would be repeated this spring ( and maybe it will, I hope to God that it happens) But while Russian advances are largely stopped, they are still pushing, and there's talk of a final last attempt to take Kiev. So I would not be writing off Putin just yet. For sure, just like Ukraine has been hard at work preparing for its next offensive, so has Putin. Ultimately I believe that Ukraine will win this war, and Putin will be defeated, but it may take awhile, and its far from over yet. So expect a bit of ebbing and flowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Ukrainians have dismissed any idea of negotiations on Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I believe they will win,

    But if the Counter stalls or doesn't make the progress people expect then international partners may push them to the negotiation table ,

    If international supplies slow or are purposely withheld then ukraine will be placed over a barrel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,083 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Where would Russia muster the resources or even willpower to have another go at Kyiv? There's nothing about this current phase of the war which indicates that kind of capability, and I have not seen much talk that Russia are quietly gathering the means to do this. However, presuming this talk you mention has any weight to it, Russia would presumably have to attack from the north, given their ability to advance on the southern and eastern fronts is almost nil. But that would require having to advance over much fortification if going by land, and if by air, they would have to contend with (presumably) the highest concentration of air defences in the country. Russia would have learned a thing or two since their initial attempt, but so would Ukraine, and they'd have a lot more western weapons to boot.

    This isn't to mention my suspicion that if Russia posed a credible threat to strike at Kyiv, the Poles may well decide to line their forces out along the Belarusian border and essentially say, "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think the political fall out from pushing Ukraine to make a negotiated settlement that gives any credbility to the moskovyte actions in invading Ukraine across borders that were recognised by recently signed treaties would be a huge risk for any of the countries that are currently providing support for Ukraine. If the moskovytes are allowed stay in part of Ukraine it is very likely to lead to long term conflict in eastern Europe and further pushes by the moskovytes to expand their empire and the economic instability that comes with long term war and terrorism. putin has given the world an opportunity to reduce the threat from the terrorist state he controls by making such a clear breach of international law. I think those supporting Ukraine will not be stupid enough to walk away from the chance to do serious damage to his military's capacity to fight again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


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    That was the top story this morning, seemed like a serious development to me….perhaps it was not



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, you’re saying the Russians have not fully taken Bakhmut?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    That's what many of us have been saying since last summer and were called defeatists or Putin bots. Seems reality is dawning a bit more broadly around here. Only a few weeks ago there were many confident predictions Crimea would be back in Ukrainian hands by summer.

    Big factor is the US elections. I suspect Putin is hoping to keep the war going in the hope a Republican will win and military support for Ukraine decline from there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    If America are unfortunate enough to have enough simpletons amongst their population to re-elect Trump or one of the other grifters running on a MAGA platform, the world may have bigger problems than just Russia's war in Ukraine tbh.

    From what I can see, the majority of the Republican party are all-in on supporting Ukraine and why wouldn't they be? They've been in the pocket of the arms industry for decades...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,083 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The reason for being called Putinbots etc. is not so much for suggesting that negotiations should happen but for suggesting that negotiations should happen (these were attempted at the beginning and quickly broke down) even if the agreement is tantamount to surrender, based on this insidious, persistent assumption that Russia will win out if given enough time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    I am certain Trump would abandon Ukraine at once and De Santos has also made a few dubious statements.

    But it's early days yet. Time will tell. Best think for Ukraine would probably be Biden reelection, he seems all in



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How so? You said Bakhmut had fallen. It hasn’t. If you find being corrected when wrong argumentative and pedantic you’re going to have a tough life.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats the danger of waiting to long,however once the weather dries up in Ukraine and the ground gets harder,i am sure they will go in for a full attack.

    But it will be a hard fight for Ukraine,Russians have had months to prepare their defences,so it wont be as smooth as last time,unless the russian defences collapses pretty quickly.

    If Ukraine doesnt succeed fast enough and it end up stalling,it most likely will end up negotiating,and in worst case Ukraine could end up as Georgia or Moldova and lose some land in the process

    So Ukraine is under alot of pressure right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Mike3549




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,997 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd hardly call Biden's reaction "all in", he's been very slow to provide aircraft and modern fighters would be a combined forces assault. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and they're coming on the QT... the first the Russians should learn about any new equipment provided should be just about long enough for them to think "WTF is that?!" before they meet their maker.



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